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Vehicle & Technical => Range Rover => Topic started by: jstrat on September 15, 2006, 10:30:18
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Hello all,
I am looking for some advice on wheels amongst other things for preping my RR for offroad use. Its a 2006 RR Vouge SE TD6 with 19" Standard wheels.
I want to get hold of some extra wheels to put dedicated offroad tyres on, the problem is I can find nothing online to help (Unless I want to buy somewhat useless sparkling 22" pimp rims of course and then every man and his dog has some! *shudder*). Short of going back to Land Rover and buying a full set of 19" or 18" from them I am stuck. Whats the story on fitting wheels from an older model? Bolt patterns and offsets etc?
I know that I can get 19" MT tyres, but I would preffer a smaller rim with a bit more choice of tyre type, and a bit more side wall.
Also does anyone know anywhere to get under body protection for this model?
Thats it for now, any help or advice greatly recieved.
Cheers
Jason
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p38 rr rims have the same stud pattern but u would need to get a set of wheel nuts for a p38 and u would also need to have the center made larger by about 2mm diameter i think but i am not shure wether 16inch rims would fit over the calipers if thats any help
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Actually I found a set of four 18" RR wheels online at a good price. So now I just need to find a good set of tires to go on them.
Thats not such an easy thing either! From what I can find the only readilly available tire is the General Grabber AT2 in 255/55R18. This seems to be a good tire but I was hoping to go slightly oversize not undersize. This is a 29" diameter tire when the standard fitment for 2006 RR is 30" diameter.
Not sure what impact this is going to have if any, but it just doens't "feel" quite right going smaller.
Anyone know of any alternatives for this size?
Jas
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Hi there . .. check my galleries. I have a 2006 Vogue SE SC which I put 19" rims with MT/R's on (despite LR saying they would not fit). THere is also some other stuff in there regarding recovery points.
The wheels and tyres are for sale if you are interested :-) They are 255/55R19 Goodyear MT/R's. On road they are noisier than normal, I have just taken them off due to the fact that 400bhp on wet roads with muds is far far far too silly. THey are *awesome* in the sticky stuff tho!
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400bhp
but then why would u want that on a land rover :?
and where would u use it ???
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Because it *has* 400bhp ... and you use it anywhere you can!!! 0-60 in 7 seconds rocks :-)
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400bhp
but then why would u want that on a land rover :?
and where would u use it ???
I'd find it kinda handy - any one got a couple of hundred horsepower to spare?! :lol:
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Hi.
In my opinion for the price of the wheels/tyres you could buy an old classic, thrash the crap out of it, dint it, scrape it and basically abuse it, then sell it for spares :lol:
Honestly, I know I may never be able to afford such a nice RR so if I ever did I would be so so scared of trashing it I wouldnt have the heart to off-road it, even though it goes against the grain, :oops: (as that was what it was made for????)
Best of luck in your search, and be carefull :wink:
Steve
And post pics if you can :)
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Because it *has* 400bhp ... and you use it anywhere you can!!! 0-60 in 7 seconds rocks :-)
but if u want speed why not buy a car?
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Er.....Dan .... what?
The Range Rover is the BEST vehicle I have ever bought. You can drive fast (or get to a speed quickly) in it, then nip off down a green lane without fear of grounding.
Why would anyone simply buy a "car" .. yuck!
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Because it *has* 400bhp ... and you use it anywhere you can!!! 0-60 in 7 seconds rocks :-)
i can vouch for that when he blasted past me on the way home from brighton :wink: lol
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Er.....Dan .... what?
The Range Rover is the BEST vehicle I have ever bought. You can drive fast (or get to a speed quickly) in it, then nip off down a green lane without fear of grounding.
Why would anyone simply buy a "car" .. yuck!
because there is simple no point in havin 400bhp in a land rover ur never going to use it and if u do u will get points, and stoped by the police
and not all cars are yuck!
i sold my zuk to geta car
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sorry, i have to agree with dan on this one... if you want 400BHP by a car nota landy/rangie... whats the point~? its a waste...
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sorry, i have to agree with dan on this one... if you want 400BHP by a car nota landy/rangie... whats the point~? its a waste...
TBH why not
its rather obvious when you pull up to the lights in an evo FQ400 what uve got to play with,when you pull up to the lights in a defender/rangie runnin with 200+ then its just pure giggle factor for the wee man to yourside who is about to get a new sheriffs badge opened up for him :wink:
BTDT (corsa sports aint no match for a tweaked TDi):wink:
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i see ya point but there is no point in havin 400bhp in 4WD
my mate had nosi his land rover i fort that was stupid cos when u going to use that, most probs get over a ton and the rivats most probs will fall out of it!!
and whats the point in spendinall that money on a range rover when u going to offraod it thats just stupid and over the top!
and no corsas mate no chav rubbish, they should all be bombed corsas saxos pugs
dan
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and no corsas mate no chav rubbish, they should all be bombed corsas saxos pugs
cor mate your on a roll, i f*****ing hate the things!! chavved up rude boys with no ideam that i could drive OVER their car in my landy!!
but you know that an evo FQ400 couls whip any landys ass, even if the landy had 400 bhp, because of a thing called surface area!
but we dont buy landys to be quick off the mark... or have 400BHP...
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and no corsas mate no chav rubbish, they should all be bombed corsas saxos pugs
cor mate your on a roll, i f*****ing hate the things!! chavved up rude boys with no ideam that i could drive OVER their car in my landy!!
but you know that an evo FQ400 couls whip any landys ass, even if the landy had 400 bhp, because of a thing called surface area!
but we dont buy landys to be quick off the mark... or have 400BHP...
we buy landys to go offroad what they built for not racein rude boys,get a car
cars = roads
4WD = offroad
dan
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"cars = roads
4WD = offroad"
there we go! i think the topic has hit the end point!
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"cars = roads
4WD = offroad"
there we go! i think the topic has hit the end point!
:(contented):
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"cars = roads
4WD = offroad"
there we go! i think the topic has hit the end point!
I dis agree there.
Why should thrasher not have a 4x4 that could out run a lot of cars? There's not much else that could cruise so easily on the M-Way at around the tonne mark, and then jump straight onto a green lane. He only has to pay for one lot of Fuel, Insurance, Tax ect... but basically gets 2 vehicles in one.
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Now I'm baffled........
If 400bhp is pointless in a 4wd, surely it's equally as pointless in a road car? 70mph is the maximum legal speed you can hit in this country.
Aren't lots of the top sports cars 4wd, anyway? :?
Bemused
8)
Eeyore
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Hi there . .. check my galleries. I have a 2006 Vogue SE SC which I put 19" rims with MT/R's on (despite LR saying they would not fit). THere is also some other stuff in there regarding recovery points.
The wheels and tyres are for sale if you are interested :-) They are 255/55R19 Goodyear MT/R's. On road they are noisier than normal, I have just taken them off due to the fact that 400bhp on wet roads with muds is far far far too silly. THey are *awesome* in the sticky stuff tho!
Thanks for the offer Thrasher but I already have the 18's and I think my wife might get a bit upset if another full set of wheels turns up. Just have to find the tyres for my 18s I think.
Where did you get the rear recovery eye?
To answer some of the other posts... yup it would be cheaper to get an old landie of somesort, however... first I live in Jersey so there is limited availability and as soon as you try and bring something in there are lots of costs and taxes which make it a lot less attractive. And second I have nowhere to put it, which is probably the bigger problem! Soooo that leaves and extra set of boots for the Rangie and some _very_ careful offroading! :D
And for the record I would love to have 400bhp too, but I have been told by the local dealer that the RRSC owners over here (of which there are quite a lot) are getting about 6mpg at best 9mpg! Now thats just silly when after 2.5K my TD6 is doing around 22mpg over a tank. Hilly and urban style driving, not a good combination for fuel economy. Out of interest what do you get out of yours Thrasher?
Anyway to drag this back on topic a little does no one have any suggestions for 18" Tyres other than the slightly small General AT2?
Cheers
Jas
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ive got one word for this topic! Quatro!!!
fast cars, 4wd, is that wrong to? because essentially thats all the rrs is, a fast car with 4wd!
all i can say is a big can of worms has been opened! gd luck!
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Now I'm baffled........
If 400bhp is pointless in a 4wd, surely it's equally as pointless in a road car? 70mph is the maximum legal speed you can hit in this country.
Aren't lots of the top sports cars 4wd, anyway? :?
Bemused
8)
Eeyore
i agree here its pointless in any car to have 400bhp!
whats the point your never going to use it so whats the point in havin it and whats th point in havin it in a range rover
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The Horsepower isn't a problem, using it wrong is.
What 400bhp means is that thrasher can reach comfortable cruising speeds quickly and easily where as other cars would take longer, therefore being safer especially when pulling out of a junction.
So Dan, I assume then you are going to go out and buy a 1.0 Citroen AX as you really don't need any more power for the roads? They can match all the speed limits.
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Nellys RRSC gets 16.8 average over the last 12000miles.
Dave
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He only has to pay for one lot of Fuel, Insurance, Tax ect... but basically gets 2 vehicles in one.
:lol: :lol: :lol: That one lot of fuel ,insurance and tax could pay for three more modest vehicles.
I must admit that a 400horse rangie aint my bag but why not if that's what the man wants :D
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400 bhp???
Sounds like fun to me :lol:
From green lane to Santa Pod, with only a pit stop for tyres.
Oh and just cause its got 400bhp doesnt mean you got to use it all the time. My bike does well over a ton but I sit on m/way at 80 and cruise,
It also pulls wheelies but I ride it on 2 wheels. and still have a clean license 8)
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my golf has 35 bhp at the fly wheel and gets to 60 in just under 30 secconds and stops in about the same time so beat that :D
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Easily... 110 TD. 75 coming out of the engine in 1989, then it's gotta go through the flywheel, transfer box, shafts, axles, AT Tires, 0-60 is in glacial terriotry and stopping involves lots of screeching and locked rear drums.
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Sounds like your brakes need looking at dew :roll:
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Probobly, it's about the only bit that doesn't seem to atm...
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:D
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my golf has 35 bhp at the fly wheel and gets to 60 in just under 30 secconds and stops in about the same time so beat that :D
haha good man
So Dan, I assume then you are going to go out and buy a 1.0 Citroen AX as you really don't need any more power for the roads? They can match all the speed limits.
no mate not getting a citroen AX mate im getting a MK2 golf
dan
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Easily... 110 TD. 75 coming out of the engine in 1989, then it's gotta go through the flywheel, transfer box, shafts, axles, AT Tires, 0-60 is in glacial terriotry and stopping involves lots of screeching and locked rear drums.
200tdi slightly tweaked 120bhp & 180 Ibft & have dyno graph to prove it :lol:
wonder what it will be with new bits................
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Littledan, I think you should voice your disagreement about the engine output of a vehicle in somewhere such as General Chat and not in this person's request for help on finding suitable tyres for his vehicle.
jstrat, sorry but I'm not able to give any advice or info on the tyres. Aren't there any 16-inch rims that are available for your vehicle?
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jstrat, sorry but I'm not able to give any advice or info on the tyres. Aren't there any 16-inch rims that are available for your vehicle?
Not without taking a good inch off the brake disks there isn't...
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jstrat, sorry but I'm not able to give any advice or info on the tyres. Aren't there any 16-inch rims that are available for your vehicle?
Not without taking a good inch off the brake disks there isn't...
So the discs are actually 16/17-inch in diameter? :shock:
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I know thrasher put 17"s onto his SC and it was VERY tight, or were they 18s even?... look in his gallery.
(http://members.mud-club.com/galleryimages/d066546845173ddf1f02624337d53460.JPG)
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I am pretty sure you can only just get 19" wheels on the SC. The brakes are not quite as big on the TD6 though. They come standard with 19" wheels and 18" wheels do fit. Not sure about 17" wheels though, might be tight on a 2006 model.
Anyway, I have 18" wheels to put rubber on so thats the size I am looking for advice on. Which seems to be a bit thin on the ground amongst the bhp banter :?
Jason
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try this http://www.rangerovers.net/outfitting/tires/mkiiitires.html
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Yeah I have looked there. Not a heap of help as most of the tyres mentioned there are only available in the US which makes them quite hard to get hold of here (would prefer a UK supplier just in case a problem arrises with any of the tyres at fitting time).
I wouldn't mind those Cooper tyres, but I have had no reply to my enquires about what the specifc modifications are to get them to fit under the arches. Shame as they look awesome.
The Silent Armor tyres also looked very good, but again not available over here. :(
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I am pretty sure you can only just get 19" wheels on the SC.
Jason
After speaking to Thrasher those wheels were 19" and they were bloomin' tight! I assume the TD6s will still have 15/16" brakes though.
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Here you go mate, a couple of 18" sizes available,
http://www.tyrespec.co.uk/products/?pattern=Discoverer+STT+%28NEW%29
They are very very good tyres. I am actually going to pick up a set of 33" on 16" rims next weekend for my disco for two reasons, one is that they are good on the road so it saves me having to change my tyres and two, (most importantly) they are free!!!!
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Nope, looked at those, they are too big. Diameter of over 32". There just isn't enough room in the arch without ripping out most of the plastics. Don't really want to be doing that.
I even got the Rangie crossed up on a bank to see how much room I had to play with, could only just squeeze my hand in between the tyre and the inner plastics, very tight. And I can't be 100% sure that was max compression either, but I don't think it would have gone much tighter. The stocks are 30" diameter.
Great looking tyres though wish they fitted :(
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Thrasher
Meant to ask earlier in the thread... where did you get your rear recovery eye from?
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As i dropped in to the bomb hole on the night trial at the Belgian National, i thought i was heading for a rollover (nearly sh*t myself).
Thrasher followed me in, in that Black Thing he drives :shock: :shock: :shock:
The man is unhinged :lol: :lol: :lol:
Andy