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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: wheels244 on March 01, 2004, 20:25:51
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Sorry if this subject has been covered in other posts - I'm new on here.
I would like some advice on some off road gear I'm going to buy very shortly for my 200tdi Disco.
Best kit, prices, suppliers etc if possible.
Safari Snorkel
Front and Rear Diff Guards
Steering Guard
Wading Plugs
Axle Breathers
Jackable Sills
Detachable Tow Bar
Reinforced Rear Bumper
Mach 5 wheels
Dislocation Cones
Any help would be much appreciated.
Rob
p.s. in the unlikely event anybody wants to sell me any of their kit I would be very interested.
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I am in a similar position with my Suzie. Only had it 4 weeks but found loads of stuff just by browsing on the net (for hours according to my missus!!). Still, it has saved me pounds. So the only advice I can say is use google and ebay :)
If I hear of anything I will let you know
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Sorry if this subject has been covered in other posts - I'm new on here.
I would like some advice on some off road gear I'm going to buy very shortly for my 200tdi Disco.
Best kit, prices, suppliers etc if possible.
Safari Snorkel
Front and Rear Diff Guards
Steering Guard
Wading Plugs
Axle Breathers
Jackable Sills
Detachable Tow Bar
Reinforced Rear Bumper
Mach 5 wheels
Dislocation Cones
Any help would be much appreciated.
Rob
p.s. in the unlikely event anybody wants to sell me any of their kit I would be very interested.
Rob, right then:
Safari Snorkel, best to phine round for this one. Most places in the LR mags sell them, so quick phone around to find cheapest.
Front and Rear Diff Guards, QT for meare the best I've got both front and rear ones on http://www.qtservices.co.uk/
Steering Guard, again loads to choose from and depends what you want, some have front recovery points built in.
Few sites,
http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/
http://www.terrainmaster.com/
http://www.rebel4x4.co.uk/
http://www.southdown4x4.co.uk/
http://www.safetydevices.co.uk/
Axle Breathers, DIY job this one. Local DIY store should do most of what you need also try http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/
Jackable Sills, again most of the sites for the steering guard options also do jackable sills, look around for the best price also try here http://www.discoparts.com/index.html
Detachable Tow Bar, http://www.southdown4x4.co.uk/tow.htm
Reinforced Rear Bumper again check out some of the sites above you'll find some there.
Dislocation Cones only ones I know of off hand are http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/ but they may be others who do them.
OK that's it hope this helps and happy spending :D
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Andy
Wow !!
What a reply !!
Thanks mate.
Just in case you're wondering - no - I haven't robbed a bank. I'll have to fit this stuff over a period of time - as you know - it doesn't come cheap.
What gear have you put on yours ?
Rob
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Oh just a few bits and bobs, well that's what I tell the wife :lol:
List is too long, just as easy to check out the pictures http://community.webshots.com/user/93andy
See you at Tong :D
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Rob, with apologies for the shameless promotion, there's details of a lot of the stuff you're interested in on my website, including stuff like fitting instructions and supplier links (most of which Andy's already given you).
Prepare yourself for open wallet surgery :D
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Hi Darren
Don't worry about the promotion, some great kit on your site !
Thanks
Rob
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Rob, with apologies for the shameless promotion
Darren,
What have you next on the list please?
T
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hi rob , you could buy my discoparts HD rear bumper when i take it off to turn my discovery into a hybrid , BUT that won't be until next winter
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Thanks Rob :D
Tony, there's not a great deal left to do in terms of mods. There's a few little bits and pieces like a navigators light that's been sitting on the shelf in the garage for nearly two years, and a chequer plate panel for the roof rack that I've had since Billing before last (sigh, where does the time go?). Oh, and I want to build a new bracket for my hi-lift so it's clamped to the side of the rack instead of the top. Otherwise it's pretty much finished.
I've still got more to add to the site though. It's just that now I'm down to the more time consuming stuff in terms of actually writing it. I've got a load of stuff to do on our Desert Wolf trailer but that'll have to wait until I take it out of winter storage next month. Still, it keeps me off the streets :)
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Thanks jaa
I'm going to need one before then.
I'll be interested to watch the development of the Hybrid - somewhere down the line mine might end up the same.
About the bumper - I'm going to fabricate one - I've decided they are too expensive to buy.
I'll post the results on here if anyone is interested .
Rob
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www.servicetune.co.uk DO SOME EXCELLENT ROCKSLIDERS WITH JACKING POINTS FOR £160. CHEAPEST I'VE SEEN.
THEY DO ALLSORTS OF OTHER GEAR TOO,WORTH A LOOK.
SEE YA AT TONG
RICH
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Hi 'MZ',
Now I've asked your 'neighbour' -Rob- this (well you're both at Selby)
But were you caravaning at Billing last year?
There was a lifted Discovery next to us & I seem to remember that the owners were down from Selby.
Was it you?
We had the same Discovery, but a Swift Challenger at the time.
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YEAH, THAT WAS US.
I WAS MEANING MENTION IT EARLIER BUT I WAS STILL GETTING TO GRIPS WITH THIS COMPUTER STUFF (ANDY WILL COMFIRM THIS (AVATARS!!!!))
I REMEMBERED YOU BY A: THE 50th DISCO
B: "RAT" STUCK IN MY MIND
and finally C: YOUR HAT !!
HOPE YOUR ALL WELL, SEE YOU AT TONG.
CHEERS ,RICH.
ALSO TO ROB; I'M SURPRISED OUR PATHS HAVEN'T CROSSED. YOU KNOW WHAT A SPRAWLING METROPOLIS, SELBY IS !!
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Especially trying to get across that flamin' bridge!!
Kev
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Hi Rich
Thanks for the link.
Have you got them fitted to yours ? Or any other Rebel gear ? If so, do you recommend them ?
I'm surprised I haven't seen your Disco - It would definately have caught my eye.
Fancy going to Tong in convoy ? Could be handy if one of us does a number on his motor ?
Let me know what you think. :D
Rob
p.s. Kev, your're right about the bridge, bypass opens this week,(hopefully ) so it should be a bit better.
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EXCUSE ME ,WE'RE ON THE VERGE OF OPENING THE SELBY BYPASS (ITS READY BUT THE BUDGET ISN'T IN PLACE TO OPEN IT JUST YET ??????!!!!!!!)
BUT WHEN IT IS......WELL ,YOU'LL POP TO THE SHOPS AND FIND YOURSELF IN LIVERPOOL :?
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Well, I went mad today :shock:
I ordered a Safari Snorkel
QT front and rear Diff Guards
Rebel Steering Guard
I would have orderd the Rebel Jackable Sills but they don't do them for 3 doors :cry: YET !! May be making them in near future. Mean time, I might make my own and weld them to the chassis - anyone done anything similar ? Also has anyone got pics of any Jackable Sills before they were fitted, to give me some idea of design ?
I'll post some pics with new toys fitted - they should come tommorrow.
Rob
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Bypass sounds good, by the time it is open the rest of the pits will be closed anyway, so wont need it
Kev
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Nice one Rob, fitted in time for Tong :?:
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Hi Andy
I Hope so !!
As soon as the courier men arrive in their vans tommorrow I'll be on the case !!
See you there .
Rob :D
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WHEN YOU FIT THE SNORKEL, ADD A COUPLE OF SMALL CROSS-HEADED SELF TAPPERS (AS WELL AS THE JUBILEE CLIP) FOR SECURITY.
THOSE SAFARI TOPS ARE APPROX £70 AND A GUY GOT HIS NICKED AT BILLING LAST YEAR.
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Thanks for the 'top tip' Rich . Any more :?:
Thieves :evil: I couldn't eat a whole one !
Where and when do you want to meet on Sunday :?:
Rob :D
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Rich
I forgot to ask.
Have you cut back your arches for your tyres :?: And if so, how much :?:
Rob
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The Rebel Steering Guard and Safari Snorkel have arrived, still waiting for the QT diff guards.
Just fitted the Rebel guard - a word of warning to anyone who buys one, they've got bloody sharp edges ! They may be 'laser cut' but it would have been nice for someone to run over the edges with a sander. I'll do mine after I've scratched the zinc coating when off roading - no point removing any of it before then.
Also - it's not a very snug fit, so make sure you have some round tube to make spacers from.
I had to make 2 X 12mm, 1 X 10mm and 1 X 7mm.
I don't know if it should have come with some, but there's no way it will fit without :!:
I was just about to fit the snorkel and the heavens opened on me - great British weather. No chance of getting even near my garage, so that will be tommorrows job. :D
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Rob,
looking good m8
good choice of snorkel - remember when fitting it to put plenty of sealer on the joints- u dont want any leaks do you!
Have you extended the breather pipes for the axles and gear/transfer boxes?
Dave
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Cheers Dave :D
I knew there was something else :!:
I'll add the breathers to tommorrows jobs.
The diff guards have just arrived , so they'll be going on tommorow as well.
Rob :P
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Rob,
I am getting a Safari Snorkel for my Disco,
well it's on my list of things to get... :)
Would be very interested in seeing some photo's
of the fitting and hearing how easy you find the job.. :wink:
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It's a doddle.
You have to be brave.
You have to get the template in the right place and check it. And check it.
Then take out the part where the snorkel goes through the wing.
Bear in mind it's better to have too small a hole than too large.
I used an airsaw and didn't force it. Be wary of a jigsaw jamming and damaging the wing.
Even though I thought I had the template right I had to elongate a couple of bolt holes.
I'll fit it for you Paul, if you want.
I've got loads of time now................. :(
Ed
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I'll fit it for you Paul, if you want.
Thanks Ed,
I'll take you up on that offer.... :D
Right I best get seaching for the best deal.. :wink:
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I got mine from Kaids with some free wheel covers if you remember...
http://www.kaid.co.uk/
01332 781111
It's on the back of your Disco :D
Ed
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Paddocks are doing good deals on defender safari snorkels at the moment - seen them as low as £118 - didnt look at Disco systems but it may be worth asking them incase there is a general safari promo going on.
www.paddockspares.com
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Nice shot :D
Same as mine, but must confess no trouble fitting it like you've had which is a bit odd :?
Anyway it's on now and ready to roll :wink:
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I had a quick ring round - nothing too extensive - all the prices seemed much the same £145 + VAT and delivery.
I got mine from www.mm-4x4.co.uk in the end, I tried Paddocks - it took them 4 hours to ring me back with a price, meantime I'd orderd one and paid for it.
Paul do you still want some fitting pics ?
Rob
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Paul do you still want some fitting pics ?
Rob,
It would be nice if you could send / display some fitting pictures,
I will then be able to see what has got to happen to the wing... :shock:
Looks like a trip to Nottingham for fitting, Thanks Ed.. :wink:
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Got the Diff Guards on today - Snorkel tommorrow. :D
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And the Rear :D
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Anyone know what this :?:
And more importantly what it does :?:
I've looked in the Bible according to Haynes and can see no mention of it.
Anyway - I've taken it off 'cos it wouldn't fit with the front diff guard. It bolted to the steering damper mounting bracket which is attached to the axle. I looked on my Hybrid and there isn't one there.
Any ideas :?:
Rob
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Its the harmonic damper for damping harmonics.
Or for absorbing vibrations from the axle to stop them going through the steering back to the steering wheel.
I've known of a few people who have took this off with no adverse effects, see how it drives if it feels any different.
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Cheers Chris
I new it was a harmonic something or other - but I didn't know what it was for.
Any idea how it works ? It seems to be just a heavy steel disc, rubber mounted to an inner steel disc - do they work or is it just dead weight :?:
Thanks
Rob :D
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Chris has got it spot on.
I put mine back on when the front QT guard was fitted, needed a bit of a jig about but it went on.
I was'nt sure what it was for at the time so thought well if its there its there for a reason.
Looking good though so far, just the snorkel to go :wink:
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Just to add to the last post, mine are no longer that Shiny Rob :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hi Andy
I don't think mine will be after Sunday :lol:
I'd have to grind a bit off the bracket to make the harmonic damper fit - you could be right - I might refit it tommorrow - my old 200tdi shakes and rattles enough as it without adding to it :shock:
Your Rebel Guard - did it fit close to the chassis rails ? Mine was nowhere near.
Rob
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Rob,
I removed my harmonic damper when I fitted my
front QT guard, I Havn't noticed any differance... :wink:
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Rob 'rebel steering guard' yeah mine was a nice snug fit.
Strange how yours was'nt :?:
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In QT's fitting instructions they recommend removing it.
It hasn't done anything detrimental to mine.
Silly me!
I thought it was just a skid of sorts. :? 8)
Ed
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Harmonic damper - my defender doesnt have one
At least I dont think so - I can even hear the radio let alone a harmony gadget on the front axle!
:wink: :roll:
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If you disconnect it.
The bit that made the harmonica work could be used to pump up tyres etc.
OK...
OK
I'll get mi coat!
Ed
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Well
I don't seem to be having much luck with the parts I've bought.
Check out the picture and see if you can see a slight flaw which might allow water to get in :!:
I've had enough Landrovers to know they are not an exact science, I've also bought parts before that don't quite fit, but this thing is nowhere near ( and that's without the 20mm the instructions say you should trim off the snout of the air filter housing !! )
It is definately the right Snorkel, I would have thought I would be not expecting too much, after paying £180, to get the part to at least look like it fits !!
Moan over.
I've no time to [!Expletive Deleted!] about - Tong on Sunday :D .
I'll be putting it right tommorrow with some 3" tubing.
Any one else had this joy with a Safari snorkel ?
Rob
p.s It looks good on the outside, see the pic below.
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At least it looks good
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Hi Paul
A pic of what you'll have to do to your wing to fit it, as requested
Rob :D
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Rob,
Should you not have a RED Discovery parking
it in that very clean garage.. :lol:
Snorkel looks very nice, I see in the photo that
you have a bolt removed from the top of the wing,
Did you have to remove the wing to do the fitting..?
The holes look a bit shocking, Hope my mate
gets them in the right place... :shock:
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Hi Paul
You have very good eyesight :shock: It was the only place light enough to take a pic :!:
No, you don't have to take the wing off, just that one self tapper - to shorten it, to stop it fouling the snorkel. You have to remove the plastic wheel arch liner though, and the stupid little clips are a [!Expletive Deleted!] to get off and back on.
I hope the one you get is a better fit than mine.
Rob
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Just out of interest Rob, you did get one for a 200 series and not a 300?
Not sure if there would be a difference what with me having a Mantec fitted.
Looks good though :D
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Rob,
Sounds like fun,
My mate has fitted one already to his Disco
So it should be alot easier than doing it myself.. :)
Don't forget to add the Snorkel to your signature.. :wink:
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Hi Andy
Yep, definately for a 200, it said so on the box and the instructions. I suppose they could have boxed it up wrong, but it's too much hassle trying to sort it out with the supplier - I'll make it fit.
Rob
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Daft question, but could there be a part missing? As you say, it isn't even close to correct.
Steve
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On mine, which admittedly is a 300, there is a short length of rubber tubing that's used to connect the inside part to the outside. As Steve says, I wonder if you've got a bit missing?
I've just added a load of pictures to my website showing the different stages of installing my snorkel.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stage1v8/TechnicalSnorkelFitting.htm
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I emailed the ill fitting picture to the supplier, below is their full response:
"I take it your vehicle is a pre '91 200 Tdi ?
The kit will only fit '91 onwards, this is explained when you purchased the
kit, but all you need to do is make up a joining piece to connect them
together.
Regards
Peter Golborne
MM4x4 Sales Team
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MM 4x4
Telephone : 01905 451506
Fax : 01905 755323
email : sales@mm-4x4.com
www.mm-4x4.com "
I quite clearly told them it was for a 1990 and they told me it would fit - after all , would I pay £180 for something that wouldn't :evil:
"but all you need to do is make up a joining piece to connect them
together." ????????????????????? What marvellous customer service !! Shouldn't they be the ones to be making up a joining piece - after all, they make it sound so easy !!!
So, if you own a a pre 1991 be warned.
I always sem to find out the hard way. :shock:
Rob :D
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More Thieves ! - I think we need a thread on here for companies that are not very good or lacking - we can expose them for all to see - our very own mudclub watchdog - when they have been slagged off we can send them the link!
Hartwells , now this!
why dont you start it off Rob?
Dave :wink:
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HI Rob,
Can you not remove the air filter and the mounts and replace them a little closer to the pipe?
I ended up replacing the mounts as they'd come apart.
Ed
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Hi Ed
Yeh, tried that.
It stretched the turbo pipe a bit much for my liking, not to mention the fact that the airfilter housing snout is smaller than the internal diameter of the snorkel and no matter how much I tighten the Jubilee clip, it won't even nip onto it. So I need some tube to fit to the outside diameter of the snout that will also fit to the internal diameter of the snorkel. So I'm off shopping !
Cheers
Rob :D
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Not a good customer service experience.
I vote against having a dealer/mechanic/vendor winge.
It is far too easy for a company to get underserved bad publicity from a winge fest - the 300 happy customers may not post.
There is also the legal issue. Do the organisers of mud-club want to be receiving letters from the solicitors of dealer X for hosting said winge fest?
Nor do you want to be receiving the letters for posting your opinion, as I hear has happened to someone on another forum.
Steve
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Hi Rob,
What about a later air filter.
I believe it's the same but the air filter has the lid of the filter built on to it.
On the earlier one the lid comes apart and then you put the filter in.
Hope that makes sense.
I am picking an axle up from a guy breaking a 200tdi 1994 and could get the air filter housing if you want.
And post it to you.
Unless you've already done the job.
Ed
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Hi all
:idea: the air box is made of steel so if you cut a strip of steel about 2" wide or as wide as it needs to be to close the gap and wrap it around the snout put a jubilee clip around it to clamp it tight then weld it to the air box then remove the jubilee clip and weld the overlap of the strip grind this weld flat so the end of the snorkle will seal then you have the bonus of increasing the diameter of the snout and closing the gap
hope this helps ( hope the pic comes out and makes sence) it is a sectional and simplified view .
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Good idea Lee.
Ed
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Hi Ed
Thanks for the very kind offer, I've just bought a brand new filter for it and have managed to do a temporary fix using a piece of rubber hosing which will put me on for now.
Hi Lee
Ed's right - good idea, your drawing is very clear, I'll get the welder out next week. Thanks
There are some top people on this sight - very friendly and very helpful. :D