Mud-club
Vehicle & Technical => Defender => Topic started by: j.stobart on January 12, 2008, 23:24:13
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Well after 2 bottles of wine and several cans of beer, I've decided to bite the bullet and buy the upgrades for my 90 that I have been wanting for ages, and the decision came after my exploits at Tong on the 30th of december. List is as follows, all parts to be fitted next weekend:
set of 265 75 16 insa turbo special tracs
Uprated cv joints
Full 2 inch lift kit pro comp shocks
Dislocations front and rear
extended brake lines
poly bush kit
QT Castor corrected Radius Arms
Dan Bars
Body Sliders
Steering Guard
Tank Guard
Diff Guards
Rock Sliders (already got these on)
Running out of stuff to buy now, except a winch, (had one but not good) anyone any other suggestions?
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anyone any other suggestions?
Performance upgrades... ? :undecided:
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forgot about the SS centre replacement pipe, she a tweaked up 200tdi anyway
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First choice would be...
extended breathers
Southdown snorkel
Proper recover points
Roll cage
Spare Half Shafts & THIS (http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Shaft.asp?MID=33)
Enjoy :afro:
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First choice would be...
extended breathers
Southdown snorkel
Proper recover points
Roll cage
Spare Half Shafts & THIS (http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Shaft.asp?MID=33)
Enjoy :afro:
I've got a set of Jate rings coming too, I have a wing top entry snorkel but still to fit it, breather kit not thought about, but will be coming soon, roll cage, simply can't afford lol.
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where did you get the wing top snorkel from ? :D
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What on earth do you do with your 90 that needs all these modifications? A snorkel I can sort of understand although personally I'd rather not get a wet bum!
Mike
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snorkel from rebel 4x4,
I like to take my truck where it normally shouldn't go, and as soon as I get stuck I have to modify it in such a way that next time i visit I dont get stuck!!!
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Is it the one that goes into the dummy air intake on top of the drivers side wing or is it the one where you have to cut a hole in the wing?????????
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Forget all of that mate,you need a good winch,even with all that tackle your still going to get stuck.
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snorkel from rebel 4x4,
I like to take my truck where it normally shouldn't go, and as soon as I get stuck I have to modify it in such a way that next time i visit I dont get stuck!!!
Kinetic rope as well ;)
Even with all your mods i think you would still be getting stuck where you were last time! about an hour before you there was a seriously kitted up 90 that had to winch round that corner.
Super tall tyres are what will get you through there. some 35.10.50x16 simexes would probs do the trick!
In fact im running 2" lift, dislocation cones and grizzley claws and there was no way i was going through that! lol.
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Is it the one that goes into the dummy air intake on top of the drivers side wing or is it the one where you have to cut a hole in the wing?????????
hole in wing
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snorkel from rebel 4x4,
I like to take my truck where it normally shouldn't go, and as soon as I get stuck I have to modify it in such a way that next time i visit I dont get stuck!!!
Kinetic rope as well ;)
Even with all your mods i think you would still be getting stuck where you were last time! about an hour before you there was a seriously kitted up 90 that had to winch round that corner.
Super tall tyres are what will get you through there. some 35.10.50x16 simexes would probs do the trick!
In fact im running 2" lift, dislocation cones and grizzley claws and there was no way i was going through that! lol.
The kinetic is also on order ;) If I can stretch to it in a couple of weeks I'm gonna have a new winch, what does anyone think of the britpart ones?
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For the money i'd buy Warn Tabor (http://www.devon4x4.com/component/option,com_shop/Itemid,67/sitelang,en/mode,productview/product,25/cat,4/showcaticons,no)
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cheers for that,
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Have you purchased that list already or are you going to?
Dont use pro comp shocks! (use roughcountry or OME)
Dont bother with caster corrected arms unless you find you need too after the lift has been fitted
If you polybush it use Superpro ploy bushes
What springs are you using?
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i forgot to add, winchwise you cant beat a Superwinch EP9 or EPi9
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Yeah dont get a carlos fandango (££££££) winch,get a cheaper one Britpart,Champion,come up(same as a warn but made in china),a few of my mates have winches but to be honest i dont think it warrants spending an arm and a leg cos you hardly use them.For my money spend the cash on an X-brake NOW they are awesome,check out X eng website they have some really good gear :D.......oh and dont bother with a normal rear diff guard,get one from QT services for the rear they are tons better,unless you are getting a 3" lift dont bother with the castor corrected arms either,just get the cranked rear trailing arms but put polybushes all round and if you are gonna hammer the s**T out of it dontbother with the procomp shocks they last about 10 minutes and blow oil all over or the top eye snaps off.
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mods sound great.
I have ome 2" lift- did not need radius correction arms- brilliant kit!
QT diff guards are a must
Light force spots- brilliant
front winch bumper- devon 4x4 with devon steering guard
front warn winch
rock sliders
rear tank guard- equip- brilliant finish
nato hitch
2 rear recovery loops- disco parts
d44 exhaust body ring
external/ internal roll cage- exact fabrications- amazing
stainless exhaust mod- moved to side exit of vehicle
ecu re map
allisport intercooler- the big boy
kenlowe fan
terra trip rally meter
qt steering wheel
midland CB
stickers etc
scorpion raised air intakes
stainless snorkel - bespoke - exact fabrication- pharmaceutical grade stainless steel (un polished)- very nice
hi lift jack- mounted on rear
rear wheel carrier
geniune lr side windows fitted (was a van)
2 forward facing rear seats- fold away- exmoore trim
bf mud tyres- 285x 85
ground anchor- extact fabrication
KNN air filter
webasto parking heater- Remote operating key thob + timmer setting
great sound system!
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must update my picture as she has changed alot since then- mad seeing her with a patriot rack on now lol
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Yeah dont get a carlos fandango (££££££) winch,get a cheaper one Britpart,Champion,come up(same as a warn but made in china),a few of my mates have winches but to be honest i dont think it warrants spending an arm and a leg cos you hardly use them.For my money spend the cash on an X-brake NOW they are awesome,check out X eng website they have some really good gear :D.......oh and dont bother with a normal rear diff guard,get one from QT services for the rear they are tons better,unless you are getting a 3" lift dont bother with the castor corrected arms either,just get the cranked rear trailing arms but put polybushes all round and if you are gonna hammer the s**T out of it dontbother with the procomp shocks they last about 10 minutes and blow oil all over or the top eye snaps off.
come-up are superwinches ;)
and it does pay off to spend the money on a decent winch
1. when you want it to work....you wont get that horrable " click " which makes you look a idiot infront of everone
2. if it does work, it isnt going to stop half way getting your through the s*** you just got yourself into
3. it wont break like cheap stuff, so it lasts twice as long and cost less than buying a replacement winch when that packs up
as smo said, superwinch epi9, i used to sware by then until i went to 8274's, now i wouldnt have anything else :twisted:
my ep went 12months without even being stripped, then when it eventually died, i stripped, cleaned motor, put back together and it's still going now somewhere on someones motor :roll:
dan
p.s simex and lockers = you drive past other people whilst there winching out :dance: :dance:
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Like I said,it depends on what you want to do with the motor,if you want to do scorpion racing winch challenges well yes dig deep in your pockets and get a warn winch (££££££££,s)but if you just do the occasional pay and play site or go greenlaning it doesnt warrant spending loads on a winch to use it very occasionally and have it sat on the bumper gathering dust!!!...........I would rather spend my money on other things like ive said above in the previous post.Im not saying go and spend loadsa money on stuff but think carefully on what you want the 90 to do :D
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I too often think like that. Should I buy a winch and bumper (I will have the money soon) or should I mod it in a different way that makes it more capable and less likely to get stuck. (Lockers and better articulation) I don't get stuck that often anyhow cos I can see the areas that I won't get through and don't go there. Often I can get to places that others can't though, and so I end up being Mr recovery, but I have no winch.
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I too often think like that. Should I buy a winch and bumper (I will have the money soon) or should I mod it in a different way that makes it more capable and less likely to get stuck. (Lockers and better articulation)
I would get the winch first, less likely to cause damage to your drive system. Lockers with extreme tyres will get you further along. But when you get stuck you'll need a winch to get yourself free, as few other people will be able to get to you to help.
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Sorry but why do you want to bolt all that crap to your 90?
Why dont you take a look at some proper challenge vehicles, see what kit they run, see what kit of theirs has filtered down on to the 'bolt on' market and fit that.
set of 265 75 16 insa turbo special tracs good tyres probably the best to go for if you cant afford big tyres.
Uprated cv joints what makes you say this? are you running AEU2522's? if not why not fit them for now
Full 2 inch lift kit pro comp shocks whats the point fit some decent suspension like the gwyn lewis kit withe reverse cones or X springs
Dislocations front and rear see point above
extended brake lines get them from david at llama 4x4 whilst your getting the rest of your suspension ;)
poly bush kit genuine or sh1tpart?
QT Castor corrected Radius Arms no point perfect waste of £200
Dan Bars very nice but gas pipe is just as good.
Body Sliders know nowt about these
Steering Guard You already have dan bars??? why do you want a plough aswell?
Tank Guard good sooner rather than later
Diff Guards be warned that slidy ones reduce ground clearence.
Rock Sliders (already got these on)
Get an x-brake aswell.
I Know i sound arsey or whatever but i see bolt on motors all the time running stuff that simply isnt needed, have you ever been to a trial where motors are built to do a purpose and not just to look good? The less weight you have the stronger everything is meaning you need less uprated bits and you sink asmuch.
When i go to a playday i get as far if not further than bolt on 90's ect and i have sleeved steering bars, worn 750's and slinky suspension on the back, I just dont see the point in dumping a cheque for x amount on 'extreme boltons' doorstep and adding 300kg of stuff when its not gonna make that much difference.
One last thing about kinetic ropes, if you have never used one dont use it unless someone proffesional actually shows you how to use it, only use if yours and the other persons tow points are 100% (check for spreaderplates) and dont [Edited] use one with a towball. You wont believe how much damage they can do.
Sorry if you think i'm trying to teach you to suck eggs i just hate to see people wasting their money.
Will.
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:clap: :clap: :clap: i totally agree,you dont have to have a carlos fandango 90 to have fun!!! and thats what its all about,havin loadsa fun.Dont get lockers unless you want to start smashing driveshafts dont spend loadsa £££ on a winch unless you are Ed Cobley, just a few bits and bats and a really good toolkit (after all its a landy).......oh,and an X-brake so you can use the hand brake when you are on a hill,and these people that say that "its not adjusted right" is a load of cods wallop,I have to re-adjust mine every time I come back from laning!!!! and im sure others do as well :D
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oh,and an X-brake so you can use the hand brake when you are on a hill,and these people that say that "its not adjusted right" is a load of cods wallop,I have to re-adjust mine every time I come back from laning!!!! and im sure others do as well :D
SPOT ON BK, got one too cracking bits of kit!
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I'm hearing lots of good talk about the Xbrake, and I'm geting a bit fed up of having to clean and re-lube my 90s transmision brake. Might have to buy a kit me thinks.
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What is it with the hand brake? I haven't adjusted mine in ages and it holds fine. When I got the 90 I stripped it down and set it up right like LR tell you too. It holds me on any slope and it tends to be the wheels sliding that cause me to go backwards - I'm not talking [pussy cat] slopes here I'm talking getting stuck at a trial on 70 degree slopes that feel like a lot more while you wait for a rope to be put on. Now we all know what will happen on Sunday - the damn thing will let me down!
I'm with muddy: why put all this stuff on a very capable machine? I guess people think it looks good but I'm not convinced but then I suspect it's just wanting to do different things, I like trials and green lanes lots of people like play days where they are happy to get stuck and then haul themselves out. Whatever floats your boat I suppose. I sound arsey now!
Mike
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Sorry but why do you want to bolt all that crap to your 90?
Why dont you take a look at some proper challenge vehicles, see what kit they run, see what kit of theirs has filtered down on to the 'bolt on' market and fit that.
set of 265 75 16 insa turbo special tracs good tyres probably the best to go for if you cant afford big tyres.
Uprated cv joints what makes you say this? are you running AEU2522's? if not why not fit them for now
Full 2 inch lift kit pro comp shocks whats the point fit some decent suspension like the gwyn lewis kit withe reverse cones or X springs
Dislocations front and rear see point above
extended brake lines get them from david at llama 4x4 whilst your getting the rest of your suspension ;)
poly bush kit genuine or sh1tpart?
QT Castor corrected Radius Arms no point perfect waste of £200
Dan Bars very nice but gas pipe is just as good.
Body Sliders know nowt about these
Steering Guard You already have dan bars??? why do you want a plough aswell?
Tank Guard good sooner rather than later
Diff Guards be warned that slidy ones reduce ground clearence.
Rock Sliders (already got these on)
Get an x-brake aswell.
I Know i sound arsey or whatever but i see bolt on motors all the time running stuff that simply isnt needed, have you ever been to a trial where motors are built to do a purpose and not just to look good? The less weight you have the stronger everything is meaning you need less uprated bits and you sink asmuch.
When i go to a playday i get as far if not further than bolt on 90's ect and i have sleeved steering bars, worn 750's and slinky suspension on the back, I just dont see the point in dumping a cheque for x amount on 'extreme boltons' doorstep and adding 300kg of stuff when its not gonna make that much difference.
One last thing about kinetic ropes, if you have never used one dont use it unless someone proffesional actually shows you how to use it, only use if yours and the other persons tow points are 100% (check for spreaderplates) and dont [Edited] use one with a towball. You wont believe how much damage they can do.
Sorry if you think i'm trying to teach you to suck eggs i just hate to see people wasting their money.
Will.
oooooo willy
you getting stressed because your tightness is biting you :-k
and your 90 is in bits :doh:
alot of my stuff is all made by myself
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am i classed as a bolt on person ?
al least mine gets used :roll:
oh btw...steam pipe bends real easy, been there and done that
got soild steel arms now, and i still bend them :roll:
here will have your dummy back :lol: :lol:
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:clap: :clap: :clap: i totally agree,you dont have to have a carlos fandango 90 to have fun!!! and thats what its all about,havin loadsa fun.Dont get lockers unless you want to start smashing driveshafts dont spend loadsa £££ on a winch unless you are Ed Cobley, just a few bits and bats and a really good toolkit (after all its a landy).......oh,and an X-brake so you can use the hand brake when you are on a hill,and these people that say that "its not adjusted right" is a load of cods wallop,I have to re-adjust mine every time I come back from laning!!!! and im sure others do as well :D
all good
until you get fed up of breaking things
i broke 1 shaft
i wasnt going to break another
loose out on a day playing cos of a silly thing like that :roll:
end o day i do agree, you dont need to have all the kit to have fun
i had more fun when i had grizzlys and no lockeres....but in a way id rather not go there again, 3rd gear flat out to get up rutted hills, smashing into trees, generally abusing the truck to do a simple thing
now its 1st gear and potter up at just above tick over, no stress on any part of the truck, no nackerd bush's no dented panels, no broken lights :roll:
you have to see things from two points of view
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I agree with the kinetic rope bit, they are lethal if you dont know how to use them Ive got one and I think ive used it once to pull a 110 out of a bog at langdale quest,it popped it out like a champagne cork from a bottle,I wouldnt like to have been in the way if it came off!!!!.As far as mods go it depends on how deep your pocket is really and what u do with the motor,but the biggest thing is try and make it as safe and reliable (ish) as poss,so really its up to you :D
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I managed to get a good video of a kinteic rope recovery not going to plan ......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtuO-Mh9Lg
the damage done was with the rope only, and no shackle.
I wouldnt have one.
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ok ok points taken [Edited]!! lol I just got fed up of getting stuck when cross axled when a little more articulataion would have seen me through, besides which the suspension when I bought it was pretty much knackered anyway, needed new rar shockers which were rotten and seized, the springs on the back were well very tired, and weight in the back and it was on its knees, the front springs weren't much better, so it needed replacing. and for a few quid extra, I could get a better set up than standard and with a bit of luck overcome some of the obstacles etc that got me stuck. I also like to see them sit higher, sound better, and grip harder. The tyres were almost failable on its MOT (but he passed it so long as I got them changed sharpish) and rather than pay silly BFG Mud money to shred em to bits in off roading play days, I got what I consider to be the best tread pattern available at a fraction of the Simex price!! So I wouldn't say I have exactly gone over board, haven't fitted the radius arms, I have simply "upgraded" my pretty standard 90. The sumo bars are a must in my eyes as even with a steering guard fitted, I have managed to total 6 standard ones. So thats my argument. :P
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ok ok points taken [Edited]!! lol I just got fed up of getting stuck when cross axled when a little more articulataion would have seen me through,
a diff locker would be more effective for cross axle situations
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yeah but i would still have had to replace my suspension!! so maybe difflockers can come when I get the money from the next land rover i break. and usually most of the situations I have been stuck in are because of lack of articulation, shockers at end of range, and springs retaining axle, a little more give with better tyres and i reckon i would have been sorted.
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All this condemnation of kinetic ropes please dont forget that when used correctly they do the job fantastically. If you make sure the shackles are on somwhere strong and everone is away from the scene then you cant beat em.
Without kinetics mr stobart might still be at tong now!!! although i doubt it lol.
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I'll second that :clap:
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them x-springs are supposed to be good gear,have a look,your landy sounds like mine was when i first got it,stuff worn out,join the club,talkin of tong, anybody goin on the 3rd feb?we all are!!!!! :dance: :dance:
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I managed to get a good video of a kinteic rope recovery not going to plan ......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtuO-Mh9Lg
the damage done was with the rope only, and no shackle.
I wouldnt have one.
sorry mate, of course it will snap with a run up like that :shock:
1-2 metres is ample run up... but that was about 5 :shock: :?
no wonder it snapped. no sympathy im afraid :-#
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i have one, blinding rope, really useful for the RIGHT situation.
wouildnt be without one because in the right hands they are brill.
Rob
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Think that video should be supplied with ever kinetic rope sold. Seen this happen more times than it should, but they are an amazing piece of kit.
As far as your mods go i would take it slower. Get a few things, see what happens and see if they need changing or adding too. If they don't work at least you haven't wasted too much money (you can always flog them on eblag).
How are you bending that many steering bars!
Nick
winch is not a bad idea, but it doesn't suit everyone. Personally i find winching boring as hell, so i try to avoid it (will get one eventually though!)
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I managed to get a good video of a kinteic rope recovery not going to plan ......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtuO-Mh9Lg
the damage done was with the rope only, and no shackle.
I wouldnt have one.
sorry mate, of course it will snap with a run up like that :shock:
1-2 metres is ample run up... but that was about 5 :shock: :?
no wonder it snapped. no sympathy im afraid :-#
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i have one, blinding rope, really useful for the RIGHT situation.
wouildnt be without one because in the right hands they are brill.
Rob
think you have hit the nail on the head TDi90 - its that of instruction and training. Most of have learned by experience of our own actions and watching others with no formal training in recovery techiques. Some are fortunate to learn without damage or injury, others are not as fortunate.
.........and what about the instructions provided with these kinetic ropes on their proper use ? or the lack of!
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.........and what about the instructions provided with these kinetic ropes on their proper use ? or the lack of!
your right david. seeing what can happen with people who dont know how to use them =; :shock: [-X
its scary.
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I dunno, i class it as common sense, big stretchey rope pulled tense by big landy, what do you expect to happen if you stick it on a rusty mounting????
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BANG!!!! [-X
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on the video - there was no shackle or broken rusty bits flying around - the hole was made by the rope only.
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because of the stupidly long run up :shock:
looks like pux's old motor?! [-o<
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or, just forget the kinetic, which i dont have nor will ever own one ( i make this quite clear on challenges when they ask to see my kinetic rope :roll:)
and get a winch, nothing worry about then, it even gets you out of the miether when your on your own :lol:
coat...door.....gone....
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Less dangerous!!!!,and a good strap :D
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absolutely!
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or, just forget the kinetic, which i dont have nor will ever own one ( i make this quite clear on challenges when they ask to see my kinetic rope :roll:)
and get a winch, nothing worry about then, it even gets you out of the miether when your on your own :lol:
coat...door.....gone....
i cant afford a winch bumper let alone a winch, so i keep a kinetic for those times when a strap just wont quite do the trick. Its easy to say a winch is far better, and so it should be for the money!!!
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or save the money from not buyin the mods an buy an sj with decent tyres...no more getin stuck!
thought i'd fire it in coz you all know it's true!