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Vehicle & Technical => Defender => Topic started by: Xtremeteam on January 11, 2007, 21:53:55
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Been thinking how easy it would be to fit a 300 in to my 90 using the existing LT77 box,only things that would need changing are the engine mounts n pipe work etc,
any 1 got any input on whether the swap would be worth while or not?
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200 :lol:
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i prefer the 200 :)
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o damn double post 200 :twisted:
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dan, that might be because we are a litle biased towards it?! lol seeing as we are both TDi men :lol:
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300 lol :P
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:lol:
yea
but i got a 300disco :wink:
my 200 wins everytime, the disco got the cat and egr removed :wink:
dan
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i like the 200 in my defender better than the 300 in the g/f's disco. It seems to pull much better and drive better. But then the defender is a lot lighter than disco.
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mine goes better than a 300disco and weighs more than a disco :oops: :lol:
bit bias, but 2BH both are damn fine engines, i just find this disco, you hit the throttle, you can sit there n watch your watch go by and nuffink happen then bang off you go, the 200 hit the throttle and its up and gone
ive never driven a 200 offroad tho, so it could be a different ball game, but am lead to believe 300tdis are alot better on hill climbs, but afink thats to do with the 300 running a higher std boost pressure over the 200
:?
my honest opinion now anyhows :lol:
dan
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Got a 300 at the mo, but I've had a couple of 200's & 4 other 300's. This 300 is the quickest I've had but its had a bit 'o tweakin'. I've never had a problem with either engine & would have a 200 again without hesitation, so I'd say keep the 200 til its knacked & then think about swapping.
Jeff
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its mikes, it is knackerd :lol:
here we go now..... just wait, youll see what i mean :wink:
.......just opend a can of worms :oops: ...................
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its mikes, it is knackerd :lol:
here we go now..... just wait, youll see what i mean :wink:
.......just opend a can of worms :oops: ...................
your gonna die biatch....
how much u spent on ur truck & u cant even drive a nail into a bit o wood?
ur goin first at clog EVERYWHERE including the river,
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peh w/e
youve just volunteered to be the marker boi :wink: il attach you to the cage via so marlow line, so when i sink at lease everone will no my vessles position and the hazard will be marked in the correct manner :lol:
dan
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I'd go for a Td5!!...
Failing that, I prefer my 300Tdi over my older 200Tdi... both good engines, but the 300 is a bit less tractor like.
A standard, a 300Tdi (in a Defender) is more powerful that a 200Tdi! - but a simple tweak and they both produce about the same power.
My 300TDi will be going even better soon - will hopefully have all the mods done for Mikes rolling road day... well that's the plan :wink: - in saying that, it's going to cost me quite a bit in diesel!!.
A 300Tdi onto a LT77 isn't hard... you just need the rear cover (i.e. the flywheel housing) off a pre 300Tdi engine.
Then it's just the mounts, and pipework as mentioned - and ideally another Radiator (as 200 and 300 are different) - and so is the intercooler, but AFAIK you've already got a big Allisport Jobbie.
Ian
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I'd go for a Td5!!...
Failing that, I prefer my 300Tdi over my older 200Tdi... both good engines, but the 300 is a bit less tractor like.
A standard, a 300Tdi (in a Defender) is more powerful that a 200Tdi! - but a simple tweak and they both produce about the same power.
My 300TDi will be going even better soon - will hopefully have all the mods done for Mikes rolling road day... well that's the plan :wink: - in saying that, it's going to cost me quite a bit in diesel!!.
A 300Tdi onto a LT77 isn't hard... you just need the rear cover (i.e. the flywheel housing) off a pre 300Tdi engine.
Then it's just the mounts, and pipework as mentioned - and ideally another Radiator (as 200 and 300 are different) - and so is the intercooler, but AFAIK you've already got a big Allisport Jobbie.
Ian
yup
its as simple as i thought it was then,got 2 spare rear housings of 200's,
have a full size allisport cooler,pipeworks not an issue,th PAS would be though :?
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I'd go for a Td5!!...
Failing that, I prefer my 300Tdi over my older 200Tdi... both good engines, but the 300 is a bit less tractor like.
A standard, a 300Tdi (in a Defender) is more powerful that a 200Tdi! - but a simple tweak and they both produce about the same power.
My 300TDi will be going even better soon - will hopefully have all the mods done for Mikes rolling road day... well that's the plan :wink: - in saying that, it's going to cost me quite a bit in diesel!!.
A 300Tdi onto a LT77 isn't hard... you just need the rear cover (i.e. the flywheel housing) off a pre 300Tdi engine.
Then it's just the mounts, and pipework as mentioned - and ideally another Radiator (as 200 and 300 are different) - and so is the intercooler, but AFAIK you've already got a big Allisport Jobbie.
Ian
yup
its as simple as i thought it was then,got 2 spare rear housings of 200's,
have a full size allisport cooler,pipeworks not an issue,th PAS would be though :?
Pas not too bad, could virtually run the 300tdi set up - and just have a couple of the pipes lengthened to suit.
Ian
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just fitted a brand new PAs box so im no changing it lol,might need to get some Hyd hoses made up longer to suit
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just fitted a brand new PAs box so im no changing it lol,might need to get some Hyd hoses made up longer to suit
Box is the same (as long as a 6 or 4 bolt)... so only new pipes.
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just fitted a brand new PAs box so im no changing it lol,might need to get some Hyd hoses made up longer to suit
Box is the same (as long as a 6 or 4 bolt)... so only new pipes.
just my luck than as its a 3 bolt setup :roll:
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just my luck than as its a 3 bolt setup :roll:
3 bolt has a different thread... so you'll have to have a custom set of pipes made.
Ian
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200 and 300 tdi have the same power.. its just the 300tdi is a more refined engine...
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200 and 300 tdi have the same power.. its just the 300tdi is a more refined engine...
Sorry... but no they don't!! :wink: - especially not in a Defender!
A Defender 200Tdi - 107bhp and 188lbft of torque
A Discovery 200Tdi - 111bhp and 198lbft or torque (hence why it's called a 200)
Defender and Discovery 300Tdi's...
Both have 111bhp and 205lbft of torque (in theory)
That's only the manuals too... Auto's produce a bit more.
Ian
(aka geek :(stoopid): )
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:cry:
mike remember the other night when i sed my 90 is gonna blow up, cos its running to good
:roll:
wel it has :cry:
noticed a puddle under it at a friends house walking upto it,
so scrawled underneath, all water running from turbo side :roll: o dear not good, so up with bonnet and out with torch and there it lies :cry: i nice evil looking crack in the block, inbertween no 2 and 3 core plug :cry:
good job the spare engine was going in, in the next few weeks :lol:
so, go on have a giggle
afink the overheat the other week has sprung it :roll:
dan
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:cry:
mike remember the other night when i sed my 90 is gonna blow up, cos its running to good
:roll:
wel it has :cry:
noticed a puddle under it at a friends house walking upto it,
so scrawled underneath, all water running from turbo side :roll: o dear not good, so up with bonnet and out with torch and there it lies :cry: i nice evil looking crack in the block, inbertween no 2 and 3 core plug :cry:
good job the spare engine was going in, in the next few weeks :lol:
so, go on have a giggle
afink the overheat the other week has sprung it :roll:
dan
dont worry dan
thats 4 200tdi blocks ive seen crack in that area :lol: :lol:
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wel it was coming out in the next couple of weeks so its no gr8 hardship to move it forward, just awaiting me clutch from good old liz at the green and yellow shop :lol:
sod both the 2's and 3's let get a proper engine, 2.8hpt iveco :twisted:
dan
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200 and 300 tdi have the same power.. its just the 300tdi is a more refined engine...
Sorry... but no they don't!! :wink: - especially not in a Defender!
A Defender 200Tdi - 107bhp and 188lbft of torque
A Discovery 200Tdi - 111bhp and 198lbft or torque (hence why it's called a 200)
Defender and Discovery 300Tdi's...
Both have 111bhp and 205lbft of torque (in theory)
That's only the manuals too... Auto's produce a bit more.
Ian
(aka geek :(stoopid): )
off topic slightly but were is the power and torque being lost on the 90? zorst?
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the z shape bend of end of the turbo, restrics it abit,
well in my opinion, but i stand to be corrected :lol:
over to you ian.........
:lol:
dan
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All right fellas. Yo mike why ya thinking about a change is your tired or [!Expletive Deleted!]. My 200tdi is tops now but I am in 2 minds if to sell it and buy newer. It dont lack any power but I can be bothered to do the transfer box. I am sick of the gearing as I still got the 2.5 N/A box.... Its just not got any motorway cruse..... Anyhow here is what I just bought SWMBO
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200s are better, simpler, and moe resistant to abuse and overheating.
i got a 200 in my offroader and a 300 in my road defender. 200 eats it.
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im more than happy with my 200 havnt realy used it off road yet but its got more power than my old 2.5 LWB paj and that coped with plenty of off roading so im expecting great things from this.
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All right fellas. Yo mike why ya thinking about a change is your tired or !Expletive Deleted!. My 200tdi is tops now but I am in 2 minds if to sell it and buy newer. It dont lack any power but I can be bothered to do the transfer box. I am sick of the gearing as I still got the 2.5 N/A box.... Its just not got any motorway cruse..... Anyhow here is what I just bought SWMBO
just felt like a change,also a better charging sytem
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more resistant to abuse and overheating
want a bet :lol: :wink:
still 200's tho
altho i do like the r380 box
which i keep promesing meself but still aint looked into it :roll:
mike you still best have that 200 in for clog, thats my spare parts engine :lol:
dan
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its mikes, it is knackerd :lol:
here we go now..... just wait, youll see what i mean :wink:
.......just opend a can of worms :oops: ...................
u wanna see my dyno print out biatch :lol:
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...altho i do like the r380 box....
thats true enough but you try to find a short shaft R380! infact i just saw a herd of sheep fly past, hold on, off to get my camera!
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...altho i do like the r380 box....
thats true enough but you try to find a short shaft R380! infact i just saw a herd of sheep fly past, hold on, off to get my camera!
:wink: i already have sourced one, thanks to local land ranger :wink:
i have my contacts :wink:
:lol:
just dropped lucky this time :lol:
aaaaa, u interested in bit of rock crawling seen as your in the challenge scene to :twisted:
dan
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...altho i do like the r380 box....
thats true enough but you try to find a short shaft R380! infact i just saw a herd of sheep fly past, hold on, off to get my camera!
:wink: i already have sourced one, thanks to local land ranger :wink:
i have my contacts :wink:
:lol:
just dropped lucky this time :lol:
aaaaa, u interested in bit of rock crawling seen as your in the challenge scene to :twisted:
dan
Have you seen his 90 :wink:
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have you seen mine :wink:
be interesting tho
petlars vs simex :twisted:
duno if he got any lockers tho :?
still :twisted: ....
dan
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have you seen mine :wink:
be interesting tho
petlars vs simex :twisted:
duno if he got any lockers tho :?
still :twisted: ....
dan
There not petlas...... Bigger than i think
And yes it would be very interesting :twisted: :P
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very interesting indeed ;) tyres are [!Expletive Deleted!] huge.
edit - yes they are bigger... 10.50x16 if i remember right
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im sure he sed they petlars :?
ne way can have a show down on winches :evil:
:lol:
dan
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im sure he sed they petlars :?
ne way can have a show down on winches :evil:
:lol:
dan
I think it was devon rover who said they look like petlas.......
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it was. i did know what they were, but i've forgotten again
edit - were/are. same thing!
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they are way bigger than petlars and simexes. i got over a foot clearance at my diff. i eat roacks for breakfast. thats if i can be bothered to stop for breakfast!
bring on your winch challenge. i'm hungry...! :twisted:
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they are way bigger than petlars and simexes. i got over a foot clearance at my diff. i eat roacks for breakfast. thats if i can be bothered to stop for breakfast!
bring on your winch challenge. i'm hungry...! :twisted:
im tagging along for this one! ;)
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they are way bigger than petlars and simexes. i got over a foot clearance at my diff. i eat roacks for breakfast. thats if i can be bothered to stop for breakfast!
bring on your winch challenge. i'm hungry...! :twisted:
Yeaaaaaaaaa keeping my eye on this :P
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c'mon then simonred90 how much are we talkin???
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how much are we talking? the price of a good sunday morning slap up sound not too much? how about that then? an inter-club challenge event?
(any moderators or organisers listening?)
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I meant the tyres actually but a event does sound good not sure how i'd get ther mind.
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10.50x16. stands at about 37" with over a foot at the diff.
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yes but do they actualy cling
o and what axles are under yours ? they look like qt racer onse :?
and its in the events meetups section derbeyshire rockcrawling :wink:
dan
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yes but do they actualy cling
o and what axles are under yours ? they look like qt racer onse :?
and its in the events meetups section derbeyshire rockcrawling :wink:
dan
yes they cling. side walls could be better but they are very good. i would say an easy equal to ETs.
my axle casings are from a millitary 110 "WOLF". huge stoppers and massivly strengthened throughout.
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ahhhh, my grandad rigs them wolfs out with all there electronics, i might steal his work keys and go and pinch the axles from under them :shock:
wounder if they'll notice :lol:
dan