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Vehicle & Technical => Series Land Rovers => Topic started by: josh 109 on October 17, 2005, 16:04:05

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: josh 109 on October 17, 2005, 16:04:05

after fitting a set of parabolic springs to my 109 it now sits as if it has had a 4 inch lift is this normal ?  
                                       thanks josh

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: Miniman on October 17, 2005, 16:52:47

Maybee the old spring was so used that they sat down 4 inch. Think yourself lucky some people pay alot of money for a 4inch lift. The main question is. Does it ride better ?

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: josh 109 on October 17, 2005, 16:57:43

i carnt tell you wether it rides better as i havent been in it since i put them on it just looks so  much bigger looks good tho especialy with the 235/85/r16 mud tyres  i bought at lre 2005 :lol:

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: hobbit on October 17, 2005, 17:53:37

You wait till you go round a corner or island, you'll see/feel the difference :wink:

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: josh 109 on October 17, 2005, 18:55:12

carnt wait i have been told it improves them no end. :lol:

Title: and some
Post by: yer auld aunt nelly on October 17, 2005, 19:59:03

Tell you bud 'like a different motor 'if you realy wont a differance try some gas shockers!

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: josh 109 on October 17, 2005, 20:31:04

are they a pricey thing to buy tho ? and what sort are the best ?

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: p4203 on October 17, 2005, 21:35:02

hi josh
 can i ask what make you used as i am looking for a set for my 109
 cheers  :D

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: dave_2A_2.25Turbo on October 17, 2005, 22:16:52

I went for the Chris Perfect paras and es3000s - total transformation.

I got about a 2" lift at the back, and about 4" at the front - the old front springs were so bad that the old girl was virtually sitting on the bumpstops.

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: josh 109 on October 18, 2005, 16:59:58

i think i might look into getting some new shocks then  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Title: parabolics
Post by: josh 109 on October 18, 2005, 17:04:55

p4203  hi i  got the parabolics from paddocks carnt remember how much they were will have to dig out a bill . hope this is of help to you  :lol:

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: Reaper on October 18, 2005, 17:06:53

Quote

I went for the Chris Perfect paras and es3000s - total transformation.

I got about a 2" lift at the back, and about 4" at the front - the old front springs were so bad that the old girl was virtually sitting on the bumpstops.

I got the same but used ES9000, very good  and got a lift at the same time

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: josh 109 on October 19, 2005, 16:14:22

i gues you would recommend them then .

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: Ben on October 19, 2005, 17:44:50

Mine's on the ES4000's (I think). They seem to work well enough  :)

It's also got extended shackles, so it gets a slight lift from them - it sat at about the same height as my standard height defender. That (apparently) equates to about a 2 inch lift on a standard Series 3.

Dunno what it was like before they were fitted - it's always had them!

Cheers

Ben

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: jimthelandyman on October 19, 2005, 17:59:00

come on then josh show us a pic of ur 109, i want to put some parabolics on mine.

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: josh 109 on October 19, 2005, 19:51:55

it wont let me post a pic anyone got any idea why ?

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: dave_2A_2.25Turbo on October 19, 2005, 22:02:33

Probably too big a file. Try using the image re-sizer

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: Andy the Landy on October 19, 2005, 22:54:59

Heres a pic with Rocky Mountain para's and Procomp ES9000's - dont know what its like yet though as it aint finished. A bog standard trolley jack was used to see what articulation they give - still had some travel left aswell :wink:

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: josh 109 on October 20, 2005, 15:14:40

tried  the resizer and it did the same it wont let me up load one

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: stratie on October 20, 2005, 16:41:07

My landy before i put parabolic's on.
Was only about an inch between the wheel and the arch.

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: stratie on October 20, 2005, 16:45:24

And this is after i put the paras on plus pro comp shock's, it's given me a good 5" lift between the wheel and arch  :D

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: josh 109 on October 20, 2005, 18:09:15

looks verry good stratie like the black wheels :lol:  :lol:

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: Miniman on October 20, 2005, 21:07:31

My question is why would you want to lift your landy it only makes it unstable. Is it for off road ability or just for looks. I am only asking because I have a mate who is obsested with lifting his Landy. I told him if he gets it to 45 deg now it be ok but if he lifts it then trys he will find it on its side. He just say don't be silly....
If you want the lift BUY THE TYRES that are larger and that is good advice as it gets your diffs higher off the ground and gives you more clearance for those sharp hills....

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: Xtremeteam on October 20, 2005, 21:48:54

Quote from: "Miniman"

My question is why would you want to lift your landy it only makes it unstable. Is it for off road ability or just for looks. I am only asking because I have a mate who is obsested with lifting his Landy. I told him if he gets it to 45 deg now it be ok but if he lifts it then trys he will find it on its side. He just say don't be silly....
If you want the lift BUY THE TYRES that are larger and that is good advice as it gets your diffs higher off the ground and gives you more clearance for those sharp hills....

i have a mate who is exactly the same,has a decent tricked rangie but cant drive a nail into a bit would,he has 235/70/16 tyres,2 inch lift,bash plates etc & my other mate with a v8 disco on 205 diamonds outclasses it no probs,although now the disco is lifted 2 inchs he can get my 750's on no probs when i borrow the diamonds,ive lifted my 90 by about 2 1/2 inchs on rangie springs but it performs so much better offroad,the racer is lifted 3 1/2 but on soft springs so i fget the most travel out the systen for the speed events,could do with an extra 1/2 inch to give me more than 8 inchs of travel

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: ian_s on October 22, 2005, 17:19:36

got bored today so i tested my parabolics
i'm a bit disappointed with the front, back the back axle moves loads!

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: ian_s on October 22, 2005, 17:22:06

and one last one

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: jimthelandyman on October 22, 2005, 21:49:12

those parabolics don't look to give you much articulation ian, where did you get them from?

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: ian_s on October 23, 2005, 10:58:26

they are from paddocks
thats not at full stretch, it drove up onto that ramp really easy
i did try putting it on ramps at opposite corners but i couldt get more that 3/4 the up and it would stay up on them  :shock:

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: landyman Ash on October 26, 2005, 11:41:41

When I fitted para's to my S3 WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

What a difference!!!!!!!

I love them, very big difference and I found that with the gas shocks it was more stable, not less as the wheels could move easier

If you ahve a series and are debating fitting the, stop.  Go and buy some and make sure you get the uprated shocks or its like driving a bouncy castle.

Trust me ln that last point, I know.  I tried it  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: ian_s on October 26, 2005, 12:08:21

yeah, mine is running on the standard dampers at the moment
lots of pitching back and forth, not really a nice ride. smooth, but too jerky.
as soon as i can afford it i'm getting some procomp es3000s

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: Tractorboy16 on October 26, 2005, 19:39:43

Quote from: "dave_2A_2.25Turbo"

I went for the Chris Perfect paras and es3000s - total transformation.

I got about a 2" lift at the back, and about 4" at the front - the old front springs were so bad that the old girl was virtually sitting on the bumpstops.

i did the same except with es1000, now wish i had gone for the es9000 as they are slightly longer i believe and it is the shocks that limit by axle articulation now.

The result is unbelevable,

What you shall notice is that the driverside shat sit abit lowever now probley but don't worry about it, they just always seem to do it for some reason, As long as u remember to park the correct way on the slope, you shal never notice it!!!

me xx

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: rustprooflandyracer on October 26, 2005, 22:22:55

Does it really make that much difference?, I am currently running CP 2 leaf springs with es1000s, but i feel they are too soft, that when i get any weight in the back it sits down. Would change from 1000s to 3000s make it more 'weight resistant so to speak?' The front it beautiful but the back is low.

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: Tractorboy16 on October 27, 2005, 02:55:49

Quote from: "rustprooflandyracer"

Does it really make that much difference?, I am currently running CP 2 leaf springs with es1000s, but i feel they are too soft, that when i get any weight in the back it sits down. Would change from 1000s to 3000s make it more 'weight resistant so to speak?' The front it beautiful but the back is low.

il have to agree with you on that.

They are two soft,

when i brought mine from chris perfect he said if you do alot of off-roading they are the best however, i think, for what most people do, the 3000 are far better, a mate has just put them on his and they are far better!!

however, if mine is leaning one way or the other, with the 1000, at least you can just pick up the body and watch it extend out again!! hehe

me xxxxx

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: rustprooflandyracer on October 27, 2005, 10:03:15

Would it be worth leaving the 1000s on the front and putting 3000s on the rear? would it alter the handling dramatically? would you notice the difference in offroading using the 3000s instead of the 1000s?

cheers Matt

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: ian_s on October 27, 2005, 10:11:46

the dampers wont affect the ride height of the vehicle, only its resistance to bouncing. if you put something heavy in the back, it is going to sit lower.

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: Tractorboy16 on October 28, 2005, 12:43:01

Quote from: "rustprooflandyracer"

Would it be worth leaving the 1000s on the front and putting 3000s on the rear? would it alter the handling dramatically? would you notice the difference in offroading using the 3000s instead of the 1000s?

cheers Matt

sounds a good idea!!

however after just parting with over half K on the whole set up i think the next suspension would be the fon2far one. However as building a coiler hybrid i think il just leave mine as they are now.

rustprooflandyracer
However, just out of courisoity, have you knoticed that your front shocks have been dented by the axle to hub casing, as mine hav and can't think why, only put it down to the extended shackels and full articulation it has.

me xxx

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: dave_2A_2.25Turbo on October 28, 2005, 23:27:06

Trouble is you need the ES9000s for the Gon2far setup.  Had a close look at Dekes setup at the last P'boro show - the articulation is unbelievableTheir shock mount rlocation kits and revolvers are at the topof my wish list!!

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: dave_2A_2.25Turbo on October 29, 2005, 12:04:25

Quote from: "rustprooflandyracer"

CP 2 leaf springs with es1000s, but i feel they are too soft, that when i get any weight in the back it sits down

The only cure for this would be to change the rears to the 3-leaf version

Depends whether you run loaded or empty most of the time

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: rustprooflandyracer on October 29, 2005, 12:29:46

Most of the time it is unloaded, however it is when loaded i get the problems, sits down to much with 750s on starting to get a rub on the wheel arch.

Also the front spring has a dent in the clip that holds the leafs together, and my rear spring has been slightly dented too, the gap between the leaves is narrower on one than the other.

I am able to upgrade to ES3000s and a polybush kit for the new shocks so looking forward to that. Which will firm up the ride and stop the wollowing!  :)

When I take off the old shocks will have a look for you
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Title: parabolic springs
Post by: muddy_90 on November 06, 2005, 20:13:12

I finished putting my rock mountian paras on yesterday with ES3000 shocks i coundnt believe how high it ended up being, but part of it is coz its got extended shackles and all whats left on the things to do list is to cut out the rear boxs to get more articulation out of the back axle.

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: TUFFTEE on November 07, 2005, 22:44:43

Is there a Visual difference between normal leaf springs and parrabolicks?  :?

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: datalas on November 08, 2005, 00:09:41

Quote from: "TUFFTEE"

Is there a Visual difference between normal leaf springs and parrabolicks?  :?

Yes

A parabolic is a quite different arc, it's a parabolic arc, normal leafs aren't

Oh, and they usually have less leafs

Title: parabolic springs
Post by: dave_2A_2.25Turbo on November 08, 2005, 00:10:07

Paras only have 2 or 3 leaves that go from front to rear, std have a stack in the middle of around 7 - 8.

Quote from: "ian_s"

yeah, mine is running on the standard dampers

Thats why your articulation is disappointing - the shocks are now the limiting factor - the Procomps are longer, allowing more travel