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Vehicle & Technical => Defender => Topic started by: Jim-Willy on January 05, 2006, 01:54:26
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I have been wondering how best to tackle this, seems Defenders are being nicked in huge numbers nationwide so what do you all do?
Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted!
Mine is a TDI so fancy immobilizer is no real good are they? The Thief brings a battery or has a little time he'll will get around it won't he?
I have a battery isolater to fit, that will keep the Muppets off.
I don't want a stoplock as i have a steering ball on the wheel.
A clutch claw is no use as i have no clutch.
I don't want one of them huge yellow scaffolding poles cos i dont know where i would put it (No suggestions please :shock: ).
It has a alarm which i am gono remove as i never arm it cos it goes off when it feels like it and nobody takes any notice of them anyway.
I thought i saw an ad for a removable steering wheel, anybody heard of this or did i dream it?
I have a Devil Duck tho and am thinking of adding another.
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Same topic came up on another forum last year, hope it helps although it looks like nothing will stop the determined thief.
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f31/90-security-21137.html
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Hello jim-willy i have had one of the removable steering wheels on a car i had before my 90 and my mate has one on his 90 I think he got it from scorpion racing.In land rover international this month there is a full metal jacket on page 20 its like a box you put on the pedals web address xsogroup4x4@btinternet.com . A battery isolater swich is ok but you can buy the keys for them from most places. :D
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How about removing a 'vital' part of the fuel/ignition/starter system - I had a mate who used to remove the rotor arm whenever he left his car for a while. I know you don't have rotor arms in diesels, but something small, descrete and simple - like a fuse or relay, so even if the theiving scumbags bring a battery - it still wont start.
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Immobiliser.... pointless on most (older) Diesels
2.5Na, 2.5Td, 200Tdi and 300Tdi can be started with a length of wire in the engine bay... two lengths of wire and you can start it. (one length means you have to jump - i.e. push - start it!!)
No need for an extra battery, and takes seconds.
Battery Isolator... will slow somebody down, may even stop the opportunist.
The plastic type key is easily obtainable - can buy them in a pack of 10 if needed :wink:
A metal type switch is better (see pic), keys are harder to come by... however then can be bodged or by-passed, but they will slow somebody down.
Alarm... useful.... as long as somebody hears it and actually does something.
Removable steering wheel, available from a few places...
Two types... most of them require you to weld on a new splined section to your steering column, which is ok, but some people don't like them.
The other type is made by Raid (i think) why by the steering wheel boss is made in two parts - which means no mods to the column.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages.....
Just remember... you can steer a car with a set of mole grips if the wheel is missing.
Mechanical locks....
I've seen the box that covers all the pedals, is quite a smart ideal - will work even though you haven't got a clutch pedal.
May not stop somebody, but will at least slow them down... though the hope is they see it, and nick somebody else’s car instead.
Steering locks.... most of them you just cut the wheel with a hacksaw - and the lock comes off.
Other...
I'm sure I've seen a solenoid advertised somewhere that you put in your fuel line (hidden) which is activated by a separate switch... without clicking the switch the engine gets no fuel so won't start.
Wouldn't be hard to make one if I have dreamt it!!!
However... IMHO... if someone wants to nick your then they will, regardless of what security you've got on it. But you can slow them down.
But if it won't start, or won't drive they'll tow it...
Ian
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without clicking the switch the engine gets no fuel so won't start.
I had a friend who used a switch to cut off the fuel pump in his escort, he just split the feed wire and ran it to his foglamp switch (no fog lights).
But if it won't start, or won't drive they'll tow it...
But with this in mind, we can't win really :evil:
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I had a friend who used a switch to cut off the fuel pump in his escort, he just split the feed wire and ran it to his foglamp switch (no fog lights).
But you have a mechanical fuel lift pump on pre Td5 Diesel Land Rovers (bar RoW spec 300Tdi's)....
Some people also say to put a switch in the feed to the fuel pump solenoid... but this is pointless... if someone wanted to pinch the Landy they would just run a seperate 12V feed to it.
Ian
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But you have a mechanical fuel lift pump on pre Td5 Diesel Land Rovers (bar RoW spec 300Tdi's)....
I know, my Discovery is a 300TDi - that was intended as an example rather than a solution :wink:
but this is pointless...
Not totally pointless, anything that can be done to stop the opportunist thief is worth while.
Thought I have to agree that if someone really wants your car, whatever make/model, they will come prepared and there is very little that can be done to stop them - worst case would be a few ropes and a HIAB, or something similar, then they can get round any alarms, imobilisers, pedal boxes, switches etc at their leisure :cry:
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i have a friend who leaves his dog in the car day and night - nice dog greats me like a long lost friend, unless im in a 3 metre radius of the car at which point im on the menu !! :D
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I use these on the disco
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are people really that desperate to steal land rovers?
had land rovers for a year or two now and never had any problems with people messing with them..... only kids letting down tyres! lil sods!
My TDi has a toad immobiliser and i thought that would be enough! Guess I will have to start locking the doors now....
Tim
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What about ones of those things they use on caravans? Mule I think they're called. Basically a metal bar that goes through the floor and hard against the ground so you can't drive or tow it away. Lifting the vehicle is then the only way of moving it and if they're going to do that nothing will stop them short of chaining it to something anyway
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I often wondered about leaving the Transfer box in neutral, that would deter them for a short while wouldnt it? espicialy if they dont know much about them?
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are people really that desperate to steal land rovers?
Tim
Afraid so. I've had one taken and I know I'm not the only person on the forum to suffer :evil:
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I'm sure I've seen a solenoid advertised somewhere that you put in your fuel line (hidden) which is activated by a separate switch... without clicking the switch the engine gets no fuel so won't start.
Wouldn't be hard to make one if I have dreamt it!!!
Anybody else heard of these, sounds like a good idea?
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are people really that desperate to steal land rovers?
Tim
Afraid so. I've had one taken and I know I'm not the only person on the forum to suffer :evil:
Maybe im just too trusting then! I work on a building site and leave mine unlocked! Its left unlocked at night on the drive too.......
Parked in london all day every day too......
Maybe I should start locking it then! I honestly didnt realise it was that much of a problem! But I guess the parts are easy to sell for a fair bit of money!
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a friend of mine had a great anti theft system
it didnt stop them stealing his car (not a land rover) but it made it easy to identify the thief
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he fixed a HILTI gun under the seat :lol:
the unit never went off in anger, but he never felt comfatable driving the car with it installed so he removed it
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a friend of mine had a great anti theft system
he fixed a HILTI gun under the seat :lol:
the unit never went off in anger, but he never felt comfatable driving the car with it installed so he removed it
The mere thought brings tears to the eyes.
Is it 'Toad' that offers the 'gas' system, where a bladder full of vegetable oil heats up & creates a smoke-screen???
Now, if that could be converted to release Mustard (or Cyanide) gas?????? :lol: :lol:
Alternatively, are 'Trunk Monkeys' (http://www.trunkmonkey.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/) legal????(see 'video 4')
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best way I can think of is keep it in your house or will SWMBO object?
:D
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Jim-willy wrote:
I have been wondering how best to tackle this, seems Defenders are being nicked in huge numbers nationwide so what do you all do?
Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted!
Sell it. :wink: :D
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Big 'motorcycle' type chain and lock, fed thru a wheel slot and wrapped around a radius arm.
Renders the car immoveable, even if they get the wheel off its still chained to the car.
Its easy to coil up and stuff under the seat etc, and you can always concrete a hasp into the floor at home and chain it down.
Before anyone discusses the strength of chains etc, Im an ex biker, and Im well aware of a chains weaknesses. Believe me anything is cuttable, but check out the technology on bike security, Its bloody secure, (expensive yes) and will foil all but a thief going hard equipped to steal.
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Jim-willy wrote:I have been wondering how best to tackle this, seems Defenders are being nicked in huge numbers nationwide so what do you all do?
Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted!
Sell it. :wink: :D
Absolutely, then buy a Disco - nobody in their right mind will bother you then!
....step right up boys.........
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :wink:
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Big 'motorcycle' type chain and lock, fed thru a wheel slot and wrapped around a radius arm.
Renders the car immoveable, even if they get the wheel off its still chained to the car.
Its easy to coil up and stuff under the seat etc, and you can always concrete a hasp into the floor at home and chain it down.
Before anyone discusses the strength of chains etc, Im an ex biker, and Im well aware of a chains weaknesses. Believe me anything is cuttable, but check out the technology on bike security, Its bloody secure, (expensive yes) and will foil all but a thief going hard equipped to steal.
Very good idea, would only i have no holes in my wheels :(
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i have no holes in my wheels
No worries, Ive got a grinder and a big drill :lol:
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i have no holes in my wheels
No worries, Ive got a grinder and a big drill :lol:
It OK Matey i got it sorted. i put a Suzuki badge on the bonnet nobody will take it now :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What about this one then to stall the wouldbe thieves... it will only work on diesels tho
find the wire that goes to the stop-solenoid. This is probably easiest inside the vehicle.
Cut it and run it through a switch somewhere convenient yet not too obvious.
The simple 'immobiliser' when activated would not allow the user to start it, even if they knew how to bypass the steering switch...
It is totally non-standard, thereby leaving them scratching their heads trying to get into yours to work out what you've done.......
Easy, Cheap, and as good a delay as anything you could buy I reckon.
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I disconnect the plug under the bonnett but that will only stall the lowest form of Muppet.
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In theory....
But....
If I was to pinch a Na, Td, 200 or 300Tdi it wouldn't matter...
All I would do is open the door, break the steering lock with a bar through the wheel, then pop the bonnet and put a 12V to the fuel solenoid and touch a 12v feed to the starter solenoid... engine now running and driveable.
Looking around various salvage yards this seems quite a favortie method.
However....
The other option would be to screw a slide hammer into the igntion barrell, snap the barrell out... which will take the steering lock off and allow you to start the engine and drive away... in this case your method would work, but only long enough for the theif to realise what you've done.
So would possibly work, or possibly not depending on the thiefs methods.
Ian
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best way I can think of is keep it in your house or will SWMBO object?
Better still, get the SWMBO to sleep in your Landy.... mine would scare anyone if she got disturbed in the middle of the night!!!
- she is definetly not a morning person!!! :D :wink: :D
Ian
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A friend uses a Generic Security Device* in his works van.
It is always active (even when on stand-by) & the drivers controls are perpetually protected :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
* The (Canine) clue is in the high-lighted letters
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A highly terratorial German Shepard Dog (Alsation)
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On some of the vehicles I've had I used to pull the ignition fuse out and take it with me. Most thieves don't want to hang around trying to start a motor if it won't go :wink:
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I'd say a dog is probably the most effectove deterrent when you're out and about.
I've looked for a good fake dog before now. You used to be able to get snoozing cats that looked like they were breathing - can you get similar fake dogs?
Mike
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is their any way of conecting the body to an electric curent so when they touch the truck they get a mean shockl :lol: :lol:
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is their any way of conecting the body to an electric curent so when they touch the truck they get a mean shockl :lol: :lol:
Carry some jump-leads & park next to a lamp-post :lol: :lol:
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must addmit their is some good ideas been mentioned, i am of the opinion you have to try and protect it as much as possible, the occupational car thief will get it what ever, but the longer they have to be their to do the less likely they are of wanting to have a go.
oppurtunist thiefs will be put off a lot quicker by more visable deterrents.
mine has got a few visiable deterrents, alarm and two imbolisers, and a few trick bits.
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I have one of those Big Un's. Bar down through steering wheel to floor and clamped to clutch pedal. Bit fiddly but Thatcham approved. May do same as the hybrid as well. Removable transfer lever. Fuel cut off switch sounds good, but Hilti gun is my favorite. Sweet meats anyone? :? :twisted: :twisted:
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wire the vehicle to mains when not in use, then if you do electrocute some one tying to nick it, and the plod turn up just blame it on the old girls wireing..he he he........
cheers
Andy............... :(biggrin):
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You really can't beat some sort of valve in the fuel line, solenoid controlled from an obscure switch. No matter what the thieves do they will only drive a short distance. If they really want the vehicle of course you will never stop them but this does it for me.
I of course have the ultimate security on my hybrid which I am not about to disclose on an open forum. Anyone on this forum played my "start my lightweight" game? It has given me a lot of laughs in the past as even when I show folk how to start it most of them still can't. Lets just say that the system is such that even I can't start it if I am wearing gloves.
Mike
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I had a Disc-Lok on the 110Tdi & 90 V8-CSW.
When I sold them, it was bought by (I think?) Ben kentzer(?)& I got a smaller one for the Discovery as it was too big
And what now?, it's too small for the Defender
Typical :wink: :roll: :roll:
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After reading this lot, I'd believe that Landy's actually start!!!!
Okay, let a little air into the diseasal line... beast will start, but stop about a hundred yards up the road and be a b*tch to re-start.... Bit of a PITA other times though....
Run the exhaust into the beast with a manual flap... beast will start... but one very ill thief.....
Or even a very loud siren that, unless you hold a button down as you start it, it starts and doesn't stop, Just don't forget to push the button as you leave at 2am in the morning.
And finally, may sound daft... but put a button on the dash with "Don't push me" on it. wire that up to something nasty... it'll be the first button they try when it won't start...
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I had a Disc-Lok on the 110Tdi & 90 V8-CSW.
When I sold them, it was bought by (I think?) Ben kentzer(?)& I got a smaller one for the Discovery as it was too big
And what now?, it's too small for the Defender
Typical :wink: :roll: :roll:
OOOH :shock: . I was told they didn't come that big. What make / size is it and where did you get it (The old Defender one i mean)???
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OOOH :shock: . I was told they didn't come that big. What make / size is it and where did you get it (The old Defender one i mean)???
Try here and get a free storage bag. :P http://www.disklokuk.com/order.php
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I had a Disc-Lok on the 110Tdi & 90 V8-CSW.
When I sold them, it was bought by (I think?) Ben kentzer(?)& I got a smaller one for the Discovery as it was too big
And what now?, it's too small for the Defender
Typical :wink: :roll: :roll:
OOOH :shock: . I was told they didn't come that big. What make / size is it and where did you get it (The old Defender one i mean)???
If you went with the disclok you could always get an engineering firm to cut you a nice neet hole in it for your steering ball thingy.
H
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There also a system that can be fitted into the clutch system which locks the hydraulics off, if the pedal is pressed down the thing then stays there until released, hence no drive
I myself have never really trusted electronic devices on these beasts, if possible I will use mechanical methods, even if it is a big chain through the steering wheel and padlocked to the pedals
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If you went with the disclok you could always get an engineering firm to cut you a nice neet hole in it for your steering ball thingy.
H
'H' You obviously beat me to it, I was going to ask James how he'd get round the question of his (erm, :oops: ...) ball :wink:
I'm not sure of the overall diameter, but the 'Large' fits the 2-spoke & (80's Range Rover style) 4-spoke wheels.
I need to try the large on mine, as it has one of those 'styling pads' on the boss :roll:
'Disk-Lok' website (http://www.disklokuk.com/products.html) (products & reviews)