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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: wizard on February 19, 2008, 18:25:51
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I started to make a tank guard yesterday, and tried it for size this afternoon.
Its made from 6mm plate and weighs a fair bit.
as you can see it still need a bit of work but the basic shape is there.
I need to chop a bit of the back end, where the white line is and bend the remaining bit down slightly.
Other wise it fits very snug.
Once its mounted I'll start on the removable hitch. Could some one measure the distance between the two side plates on there removable hitch for me, as it would be nice to keep all these things more or less standard.
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wizard
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Hi Gerard , I have one of the early Southdown tank guards , with rolled corners as against welded sections but is basicaly the same as yours .The distance between the brackets is 135mm , on the outer edge (pretty much in-line with the 2 centre bumper bar mounts ) length of bracket is 200mm x 75 mm , the removeable hitch attaches on the outside of the brackets using x2 20mm pins placed 140mm apart (centre of hole).
Hope this is of some use ? . :?
Steve.
If we have some reasonable daylight tomorrow ! , I'll try and get a couple of pics
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Hi looks great any ideas of cost ? I would be interested in one if its reasonable ... :)
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are we going into competition wiz! :D
i will give you 1 bit of advise, make sure you clear the difpan with ALL suspension movement, i learnt the hard way!
i think the southdown are the same as ours with a nick out the rearsection so it clears diff.
now ive told you this, i will have to kill you.
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Hi
I dont think i'll be going into full production just yet, i just couldnt face paying over £250 for something i can make.
I'll check the diff pan clearance next time i fit it. i must admit i didnt think of it fowling there.
Muddyblue.. thanks for the sizes i'll post some pix of the hitch late next week.
Regards
wizard
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No problem , I think the problem with diff clearance is mainly evident on standard height motors , don't think Goth Thing has anything to worry about there ! .
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ill send my hammers around now! there a lovely bunch off lads. your fault, you just had to know. :lol:
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oi oi thats pretty bloody good!
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No problem , I think the problem with diff clearance is mainly evident on standard height motors , don't think Goth Thing has anything to worry about there ! .
I have a southdown gaurd on my disco, and also a bikini type gaurd on the diff, it still fouls the gaurd, 'just', and my truck is lifted, the issue is caused by the fact that as the axle travles 'up, it also goes backwards slightly!!
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go on give em all away :D
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wiz, i know you havent finished it yet, but are you going to carry them sides all the way to the back?
for just a guard its great, but if you are going to be towing from it, it will need that extra beef in it, that will / could twist if you rely on just 6mm plate with no gussets at all.
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Hi
Yep i still need to make up a few bits for the sides.
Mrs wizard wanted me to make a cardboard mock up 1st and try it for size, but i couldnt be arsed with that so went straight to the metal version.
Just as a matter of opinion is 6mm a standard thickness for guards.
Regards
wizard
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mine are all 5mm as it saves some weight and is still well over required strength, towing mounts are 10mm so they cannot twist or bend.
ohh the end is nigh.
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I think that the next one will be 5mm as 6 mm is damn heavy.
I was going to use 10mm for the towing brackets. Hopefully it wont all go pear shaped
wizard :twisted:
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no, that would definately be the wrong shape! :lol:
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It would be different though.
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wizard
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I had a spare Southdown but I lent it to someone, or you could have borrowed it.
I'll have a look at mine if it's not too cold.
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I had a spare Southdown but I lent it to someone, or you could have borrowed it.
;)
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Well, i have added the side gussets and trimmed a bit off the front section.
I'll start on the tow hitch brackets this afternoon.
I picked up two 7/8 x 6 inch pins from E bay, they will be excellent for the removable hitch.
Thanks for all the info so far..
wizard
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Commonly they are 19mm, or whatever that is in imperial (3/4 inch IIRC) and I've seen them for sale at an agricultural equipment dealers.
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Commonly they are 19mm, or whatever that is in imperial (3/4 inch IIRC) and I've seen them for sale at an agricultural equipment dealers.
Or 0.7480292" So yes near enough 3/4"
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I had the option of 3/4 or 7/8 so if in doubt go bigger seemed like a good thought !!!!!!!!!!
wizard
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Bit of an update.
I have welded on the tow hitch brackets and also swapped the 7/8 pins for 3/4.
I put on a few coats of hammerite on Monday and coated it with clear laquer today, but the laquer reacted with the paint so i ended up stripping it all down to metal and repainting.
I think it was to cold when i applied the laquer.
pix to follow............
wizard :twisted:
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laquer will react with hammerite for ages, as it takes a long while for hammerite to proper cure. why laquer it anyway?
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Why not just get it Zinc coated?
Its not as dear as you'd think
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Thats looking good. I cant wait to see the finished article. :)
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They wanted £80 to zink plate it, as they have a minimum charge !!
If i had 6 to do it would still cost £80 to get them plated.
I thought the laquer would give it a bit of extra protection and make it look nice and shiny !!!.
I am gonna leave the guard in the main workshop next to the heater for a few days to help to Hammerite dry. Its to cold in my workshop at home.
I will post pix as soon as i get a chance.
regards
wizard
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Hammerite contains glass particals and takes 6 weeks to cure the only thing you can spray onto it is more hammerite and you can only do that withing 15 mins of the first coat any longer and it all goes pete tong best thing for cleaning it off is petrol.
Lesson over :lol:
I only know this as we used to use smoothrite on our bike frames and engines, If you spilled petrol on it you had to strip the lot and start again and if you tried to to touch it up it went dull and rough like sandpaper.still it smells nice :lol:
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Finally i had the time to fit it. It took about 20 min to jack into place and bolt on the six mounting bolts.
I still need to make up the detatchable part, and some thick angled washers for the two bolts that go through the rear part of the chassis. Otherwise i am quite happy with it.
Just got to find the time to put the bumper back on !!!
regards
wizard
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Looking good mate.
Did you say 6 bolts through the chassis?
and what's the pressure guage for then :-.
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I used the four original tow bar bolt holes and another two holes further back where i have a set of twin rear shocks mounted.
The pressure guage is for the on board air system. There is a pnumatic stab-in just to the right of the guage.
I mounted the guage into the rear bumper today and put on two new towing sockets.
Hopefully i can remount the bumper tomorrow after i finish work and before the rugby starts.
regards
wizard :twisted:
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that looks wicked mate been thinkin bout changing my scorpion racing detachable tow bar and tank guard for the southdown version/type :wink:
p.s. we have met b4 set your sight back a couple of months (well quite a few actually) you went off roadin with a guy who works with Mrs wizard in a red disco i am his son that was with him also heard you no a couple of the guys from BONKAS small world eh
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Wizard it looks great...
I am looking at these from Southdown or Guardian but they are very expensive or getting a replica Scorpion detachable tow bar and a standard tank guard.
If this goes into production put me on the waiting list...
Cheers
Julian
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Just about finished.
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wizard :twisted:
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Thats the dogs will we be seeing them on wizarbilt. I am putting Fual tank guard on my wish list. Jeff
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Although it was easy enough to make i dont really have time to make any more just yet.
Maybe later in the year. :twisted:
wizard
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very very nice , any chance of rear winch bumpers being made for less than 300 quid plz plz
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Not by me I'm afraid.
When you know the amount of time and effort that goes into making this type of thing, then the majority of the prices about are fairly reasonable, with one or two exceptions.
Regards
wizard :twisted:
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I picked up two 7/8 x 6 inch pins from E bay, they will be excellent for the removable hitch
wizard
Any chance of a link as I am in the same process or any other info would be great ;)
Cant bear to think that I could pay £200+ when I can get the stuff from work [-X
Thanks
Steve
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I got a couple of pins from a farm supply shop £3.75 each Bargin and supporting the local economy
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The pins came from this guy. I found the 7/8 to be a bit big so i bought a pair of 3/4 ones.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290136703905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290136703905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019)
I can make you a drawing with sizes if you want.
Regards
wizard :twisted:
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The pins came from this guy. I found the 7/8 to be a bit big so i bought a pair of 3/4 ones.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290136703905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290136703905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019)
I can make you a drawing with sizes if you want.
Regards
wizard :twisted:
Thanks for the offer but at that price I dont think it worth the time making them, then getting them plated ;) but thanks for the link :D
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ive got an homemade tankguard fitted, and a steering guard ;)
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The pins came from this guy. I found the 7/8 to be a bit big so i bought a pair of 3/4 ones.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290136703905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290136703905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019)
I can make you a drawing with sizes if you want.
Regards
wizard :twisted:
Thanks for the offer but at that price I dont think it worth the time making them, then getting them plated ;) but thanks for the link :D
The other thing with off the shelf parts is that you can replace them when you loose them.
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The pins came from this guy. I found the 7/8 to be a bit big so i bought a pair of 3/4 ones.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290136703905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290136703905&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=019)
I can make you a drawing with sizes if you want.
Regards
wizard :twisted:
Thanks for the offer but at that price I dont think it worth the time making them, then getting them plated ;) but thanks for the link :D
The other thing with off the shelf parts is that you can replace them when you loose them.
I can agree with that, and if they break or twist I can blame someone else :twisted: also takes a bit of time to get any machining done at work as we have now split the Fab shop from the machine shop, they are now 8 miles apart :(
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Where do you get you plating done?
We use Metal finishers in Llandudno, for big stuff(has to be hung on racks ) we pay about 38p a kilo ie. part weighing 10Kg costs £3.80
smaller stuff (barrel work) is 31p a kilo he does silver and pasivated (gold) the gold lasts longer on the salt water test thats why most steel carabiners are gold coloured.
I'm getting my steering guard re plated this summer after a battery leak took some of the plating off. :roll: