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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: muddyjames on January 06, 2006, 16:56:13
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I have put my Grizzley claws on today and I thought, easy job, nothing to it.
So I jacked it all up and changed them. Lowered the disco back down to the ground. Reversed out of the parking space and I heard something rubbing. Typical!
The near side front wheel rubs on the bumper edge, the off side did rub on the end of the side step but a bar against the end of the step and the wheel tread soon sorted that one out. Only needed to be tweeked about 10mm as it just catched. Also on full lock the tread hits a big bit of metal under the disco. No idea what the metal is but it looks important!
So I now have the fun job of trying to adjust the bumper. The off side wheel is miles away from hitting but the near side catches. Could the axle be twisted? I have no idea.
Help on any reasons why would be nice.
I was hoping this topic would be "the big green giant is born" but it isnt.
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yup, your tyres are too big or you havent got enough lift. Thats both the cause and the solution to your woes.
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well I have no lift as of yet as I only got the disco in November and dont have the money to buy a lift! :D
But why does the of side wheel have about a hands width between the wheel and the bumper edge but the near side catches?
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If its like mine the bumper had a nudge by the previous owner, one side sits about 2" further back than the other. used a tow rope to pull it back out.
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What size tyres are they James?
:?
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Make sure you get the lock stops done straight away.
At Towcester we saw what was partly down to an aggresive tyre catching on a radius arm.
That's your "big important looking" bit of metal.
It rolled a Hybrid over end over end. Trust me.
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Have a look here.
http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/turtle/gallery/gbr1
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http://members.shaw.ca/jbarge/tires.html
Check out this link James it'll give you all the info you'll need to sort out any mods needed.
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If its like mine the bumper had a nudge by the previous owner, one side sits about 2" further back than the other. used a tow rope to pull it back out.
where did you attatch the tow rope too to pull it back out?
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Make sure you get the lock stops done straight away.
At Towcester we saw what was partly down to an aggresive tyre catching on a radius arm.
That's your "big important looking" bit of metal.
It rolled a Hybrid over end over end. Trust me.
My tyres arent that big! I dont fancy rolling over and over. It is my greatest fear.
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im sure that radius are isnt supposed to be banana shape! I bet that roll was caused by high cog against side slope looking at where it ended up. Big tyres!
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They are if the knobbly bits on something like a Grizzly Claw grab the radius arm.
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What size tyres are they James?
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235/70's If that means anything to anyone. Mean nowt to me. I just know they catch on the bumper and sound like a jet engine!
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Have a look here.
http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/turtle/gallery/gbr1
Who's was the Hybrid Ed?? There's quite a few faces I recognise around it :D
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Just rapped it around at the end of the bumper and atached the rope to a STRONG post.
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235/70 on a 16 inch rim?
thats is standard discovery size and should not catch at all
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What size tyres are they James?
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235/70's If that means anything to anyone. Mean nowt to me. I just know they catch on the bumper and sound like a jet engine!
They should fit just fine.
I agree with the steering stops though.
Mine catch because i have'nt got round to doing them yet.
:roll:
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It was on top of the bank and turned to the left down a 45 degree(ish) bank that meant the n/s/f wheel was a couple of feet lower than the o/s/f on full lock the tyre caught under the n/s radius arm and due to the angles it threw it over. At least that's my understanding.
Mud Club were approached to go in and recover it. Good training exercise but not so good for the driver and the passenger.
They walked away though but with injuries.
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Just rapped it around at the end of the bumper and atached the rope to a STRONG post.
I tried a big bar against the tyre and bumper but broke the bumper clip!
I will go for a search for a big tree tomorrow then. sounds like a trip down a byway to me! Oh well hard life!
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If you have any problems, i've got a discovery you could anchor of off.
:D
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If its the standard plastic bumper, trim it back with an angle grinder, gives a better look from the front aswell
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it is the plastic bottom bit it hits. the guy i bought it off did say he had a company pull the bumper out a bit but it isnt enough.
I will go find a tree or attatch mine to Jakes disco. I am guessing you Jake are Bigblues ex owner?
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If its the bottom of the valence you can score a line with a stanley knife and it will pull straight off
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I am guessing you Jake are Big Blues ex owner?
The one and only.
:lol:
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no more i see from another thread :(
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I sold it a while back
I'm now running a 300 Tdi ES as my daily hack and mud plugger.
Comfort and style (in the mud)
Are you coming to the pub meet on the 26th?
Have a read of this (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=15762).
:D
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I sold it a while back
I'm now running a 300 Tdi ES as my daily hack and mud plugger.
Comfort and style (in the mud)
Are you coming to the pub meet on the 26th?
Have a read of this (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=15762).
:D
I have a disco es as well. It is my other daily hacker. No point in selling other car as it is in too good a nick to sell but worth nothing unfortunately so may as well keep hold of it incase the disco breaks down one day!
Im affraid I cant come as I will have work the next day. I have to be up at 3am so going to a pub over an hour away will mean about 3 hours sleep! I cant live on that! I will be able to come one day when my Day off falls on the Thursday as I will get a lie in the next day. Just keep pm'ing me.
I'm off to find that tree to pull the bumper out or I may just say sod it and get a stanley knife to it! I cant believe a stanley knife will go through it though.
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A nice new blade will cut the bumper with no worries.
Draw a line first, then score it with the blade. Then keep scoring, it'll slip through easy.
:D
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cool. That should sort the problem out and I wont need to pull the bumper back out will I???
Are bumper ends expensive to buy as my plan is to sell the bumper once I have got a winch bumper in not the near future due to the price of them!
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There is usually loads on eBay :)
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Paddocks sell the end caps for around £16
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right thats finalised it. I'm off to cut bumpers.
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cut the bumpers. looks pretty good. I am happy with it. Only a few little niggles though. the front wheel didnt catch until I screwed the cap on properly. I will find that tree tomorrow!
Second thing is the sodding bump stops. I have undone the bolt I think it is. A 17mm bolt that petrudes out the back of the swivel housing?
http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/album_photo.html?c_photo=44205442&fit=1
http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/album_photo.html?c_photo=44205474&fit=1
they are 2 photos of the front wheel assembly with 2 arrows pointing to the bolts I think are the bump stops. It may not work the links but I tried[/url]
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thats the lockstops,the 1 on the LH hub seys the RH limits & vise versa :wink:
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thats what i thought but it doesnt seem to affect the steering lock at all. the tyres still catch big time o that big bit of metal
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Are you adjusting the opposite side.
As Mikee says. The LH one affects the RH wheel. You need to wind them out after undoing the locking nut on the back.
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its the near side wheel that is catching the worst and I have been undoing the off side wheel. I am not sure where the locking nut is. All I can see is a bit of metal with like a welded on nut and the metal seems to hold something vital for the brakes!
I know I am usless at mechanics and have been told it as well but I still like to give it a go.
Found out a few days ago that the series 3 i had and sold the brakes went completly on the new owner the other day and nearly had an accident. thats a description of how bad I am. The chap who bought seemed ok about it and he is a nice guy. We have kept in touch.
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its the near side wheel that is catching the worst and I have been undoing the off side wheel. I am not sure where the locking nut is. All I can see is a bit of metal with like a welded on nut and the metal seems to hold something vital for the brakes!
I know I am usless at mechanics and have been told it as well but I still like to give it a go.
Found out a few days ago that the series 3 i had and sold the brakes went completly on the new owner the other day and nearly had an accident. thats a description of how bad I am. The chap who bought seemed ok about it and he is a nice guy. We have kept in touch.
i no u like to have a go but if your that bad why keep going????
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If I dont have a go then I wont learn anything and I will be in big debt with a garage! I enjoy doing it as well. I should really do some night school classes in mechanics. It would probably help. I have people who help me that know loads about cars and I hope some of it rubs off on me. A little of it has an Mud club has helped me big time in the past on how to do things. This is my main source of info. Everyone is so kind an helpful.
Also when I do, do a job all by myself I get such self satisfaction out of it and especially when it is up to a high enough standard to pass an MOT. I get a buzz out of that.
Im rubbish but I give it go if nothing else. If I dont give it a go I will never learn!
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i didnt mean that last msg to be nasty or anythin like that its just ive seen the outcome of people 'having a go' & most o the time it costs more to put right than doing the job in the first place,im not trying to bring you down or anything like that but id consider a basics mechanics course :wink: especially cos u will prob get a certificate at the end of it aswell as some knowledge :wink:
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The bolt you need is in the faint red circle.
On the front of the swivel housing.
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its the near side wheel that is catching the worst and I have been undoing the off side wheel. I am not sure where the locking nut is. All I can see is a bit of metal with like a welded on nut and the metal seems to hold something vital for the brakes!
I know I am usless at mechanics and have been told it as well but I still like to give it a go.
Found out a few days ago that the series 3 i had and sold the brakes went completly on the new owner the other day and nearly had an accident. thats a description of how bad I am. The chap who bought seemed ok about it and he is a nice guy. We have kept in touch.
i no u like to have a go but if your that bad why keep going????
It's all an excuse for me to buy new tools.. you see james reads the manual, can't find it, then asks me a million questions then gives up then comes and sees me.. I of course have to get my biggest or most expensive tool out - or buy a new one - then do the job in about 2 minutes, everyones happy and I have an excuse..
Talking of which James, when do you want your snorkle doing, I'm sure I have to buy an air saw for that - the nibbler/ angle grinder/jigsaw just wont do :D
I'll hopefully have my new head sorted for my engine by the end of the week so I'll be a bit busy rebuilding it over the next few weeks :-)
Matthew
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I was going to suggest this weekend but obviously not if your rebuilding your head.
Could I borrow your hex sockets to undo my side steps please as my socket slipped off the other day straight into my face and hurt!
I am glad I can be of use to some one if it gives you an excuse to buy new tools!!!!
I have a land rover manual on cd now so I can look in the warm for what I want and then give up and come to you!
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James .... there is a possibility your bushes are worn on the radius arms. Check these too....
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Could I borrow your hex sockets to undo my side steps please as my socket slipped off the other day straight into my face and hurt!
Yup, no problem, which size(s) do you want, and do you want a 2 foot bar as well, or just perhaps an angle grinder?
I have a land rover manual on cd now so I can look in the warm for what I want and then give up and come to you!
any reason you can't read the haines manual indoors? I always like the paper ones as they are more tollerant to water splashes whilst reading in the bath compared to the laptop!
I was going to say, don't cut your end caps down and have my pre-cut ones which are living behind the shed - too late now though!
Matthew
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I have an angle grinder. that was an item that wasnt stolen when our shed got broken into last year. shame my long extension lead and my drill that had never been opend got nicked!
I need them to come off in 1 piece as some one off here is picking them up on monday and paid £20 for them. As your selling bits of your disco I thought I would do the same!!!
Damn about the end caps but never mind. Will try and work out how to put a pic on here and not a link. lets see if that works
[/img]http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/album_photo.html?c_photo=44520702&fit=1
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didnt work. oh well. useless with pc's as well as cars!!!
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It is all sorted now. None of the wheels catch the bumper, the arches dont need trimming, the turning circle can be reduced a little as well.
The answer was staring me in the face all along. Put the road tyres back on!!! So I have. So all I have gained out of putting the grizzley claws on is less of a bumper, know that if I put the claws back on I have to cut the rear wheel arches, I cant tow with them and they make a hell of a noise whilst driving.
So now the road tyres are back on does anyone want to buy some grizzley claws on range rover alloys?
I shall be saving up and buying some bfg all terains. All terain, all occasions and no body pannel trimming I hope.
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anyone want to buy some grizzley claws on range rover alloys?
How much - prefer just tyres though, got too many wheels already.
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well the claws arent brand new but have alot of tread on them still. there are a few cuts but not anything that is dangerous. the cuts are mainly in the nobbly bits. Matt_h sold them to me via ebay and I have done 5 miles on them and I cant believe he would sell me dodgy tyres.
I paid £180 for the 4 tyres pluss the alloy rims. make me an offer.
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pm 4 u mate
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What are your bushes like? Split bushes on your radius arms could cause your axle to sit out of true.
Dan
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I dont know as I am not too sure what I would be looking for and the disco is near Rugby at te moment so no where near me to look either! It comes back on Sunday.
Where would the bushes be andwhat do they look like? anyone be able to take a pic?