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Vehicle & Technical => Series Land Rovers => Topic started by: timberdog on February 21, 2006, 14:49:46
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Well made a start today on the Lightweight i have to try to keep things as cheap as poss due to not having allot on money ..but i started with a total scrub down of the Chassi to inspect and Underseal.
The only bad bit i could find is the the rear section were the Rear Crossmember is ..It wants welding on the rear Drivers side of the chassi and new Cross member .
Anyone recommend what thickness plate to use on Chassi??
Apart from that bit she is solid..
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I would also like some info about Fuel tanks and Fuel lines as i have got to clean one Tank out to get her started so like best wy to clean and were do the Fuel Lines run etc??
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Are you wanting to keep the truck as close to original as possible ? If not consider converting it to use civvy petrol tanks and with a bit of cutting and such you can have a side filler instead of an under seat jobby.
I converted mine from under seat a couple years ago and am much happier besides the obvious advantages of not asking the passenger to bail out the tanks tend to be cheaper for standard Series motors.
If you need any bits i have a pretty much stripped lwt.
For chassis repairs i have always used 3mm steel, no doubt others have used thicker but i find it works well for me.
Not sure i have helped any but still
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Not sure about Original yet i am just gettting the main bits of work sorted..
How did you convert to side filler?? and pics??,..But i aint to bothered about kicking somone out to fill up..
I will let you know about bits as i go thanks good to know some parts available..
Got to get a Bottle before i can get the welding done and thats a Labour of love aint even got the money for that the way things are at the mo :twisted: :oops:
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As it happens the lwt i did the side filler for is in the process of a full rebuild so i will take some pic's if it ever stops raining.
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I am after a rear cross member as well as its shot do you know were i can get a Galvanised one?
also how do you know were to chop off and replace etc?
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The usual places sell rear cross members, they ain't that bad on price either.
As for how do you know where to chop, the new cross member will have about 12 inches of chassis attached so as you are able to weld the new one into place.
Worst scene is you need to measure the chassis before and after, most usually as i have done in the past i cut off whats rotten and measure it then bung (weld) the new one on. Only once was i off and i only found out when i refitted the tub luckily i was only out by a centimetre or so, which meant with a little bit of packing on the other lugs it fitted kind of. (lets put it this way i sold it and it looked fine)
Pity i chopped up the chassis to take off the ARC roll cage otherwise the *scrapper* had a damn good chassis.
The rebuild one my father owned for 20 odd years and only replaced the chassis 5 years ago and again luckily for me he bought a heavy duty galv one, he had it coated in some plastic coating stuff too so hopefully the chassis will out-live me.
Will post some pic's as i said in the morrow of the filler though, if the weather ever picks up.
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Smog is this the one??
http://www.paddockspares.com/products.asp?category=SERIES&subcategory=Chassis&product=Rear%20x%20member%20with%20ext%20-%20military
also i would like to lift the Lightweight but i dont know whats involved if at all possible or new shocks ??
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Looks like it might be, but that looks like a standard series jobby not sure they are any different to be honest. (best thing do is clarify before you buy)
Lifting can be done using extended shakles *i had some made for mine cost £40* but i am pretty sure that LWB ones are ok, then fit para bolic springs change the tyres to 850x16 or even 900's(as long as they fit and get a turning circle without hitting the springs though in my case i had to chop the front bumper down at the back to make them fit proper. Then of course fit them plastic mud guards from all the usual places to account for the extra width of tyre.
If you want the body to lift then simply exten the stuff that needs extending such as the tabs to attach the tub and stuff and add blocks under the body to attach to the chassis. Gives the overall look of a lift and if you increase axle travel will give greater scope for bigger tyres and less rubbing on body parts but don't help on road manners.
There are ways to lift doing mods to standard springs using blocks, but to be honest i prefer standard springs and bigger tyres cheaper and less stuff to go wrong.
Also at the end of the day on a cart sprung motor you ain't going to increase axle travel that drastically unless you spend lots of wonga on somin like the gone2far type system.
Personally i have just bunged bigger tyres on and added extended shakles with standard shocks, been stuck a few times but then i get stuck in my hybrid at times and that has a 4 inch lift and runs on 850's with extended shocks dislocation cones lowered shock mounts and loads more to make it bing bong and do stuff.
I am more than sure someone will come along and tell me i am so wrong and stuff but, pretty much all of the above i have done in the past and it works.
Not sure if any of the above helps, i hope it does just my explantions of stuff kind of stinks.
If you get real desperate give me a call or 'pop' round for a brew and biscuits *i actually mean come round talk about landrovers drink a brew and basically trash anything from chavs to how RA are screwing up our hobby*
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As an aside i just remembered i have a series rear cross member tack welded onto a project hybrid if needs must i can check the width and so on to see for sure if it will do the job if so it's yours for a few beer tokens.
Did i mention i have LOTS and LOTS of spare's axles springs body parts for RR and series even got diffs and gear box's a cab and a full hard top even a set of sticks too.
Not trying to sell stuff but for the right beer tokens or not as the case might be i am more than willing to part with some or all of it because to be honest 4 landrovers and enough scrap parts to make a few more is more than i need or will ever want.
Sorry for the double post just the bint reminded me about the cross member on the project/scrap hybrid.
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Cheers mate that has helped ..
PM me you details and i will pop round for a Natter and have a look at that Cross Member
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That crossmember you linked to on paddocks is a military one, the civilian ones taper up on the out riggers
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found a cross member from paddocks it not listed i had to phone them £69.00 and also Barrel and Keys which i need £8.90.
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Smog missed ya post would mind those sticks??
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more pics of stuff i have to do i now need two bottoms for the Doors of second hand Doors both sides.
I have got to weld up both footwells in and out
keeps me out of trouble for a while!!!
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Wellgot my plating today for bits to do 3 Mil for bit on Chassi and 2 mil for footwells..
and i am gonna have a go at Firing her up tommorow :roll:
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Remember if you are welding on the drivers side chassis, from the cab to the back be careful the wiring harness runs through there to the rear of the motor, if its still in there
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cheers bud will do..
dont think it does now i think it has been re routed but i will check thanks again
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Well i put new plugs in her flushed rad and replaced coolant/water filled both tanks with petrol and removed the barrel on the ignition to gain access to the base of ignition to be able to turn with a screw driver and i got a dash lights and turned the key and i could hear the starter motor clicking but the battery was dead so i took my battery out of the 90 and stuck that on she turned over but not fast engouh to get her fired up!!!
I think its a case of tow rope and down the road but she aint in no presentable state to be towed...lol.
If anyone is loacal who could assist with a tow please let me know i am in nuneaton...at least i know the engine turns free..
I then gave up and moved on to Drivers side floor welding prep and cutting plate to size ready to weld ..
At least she now has new plugs and Coolant now just want to hear her running!!!!!
I have loads to keep me busy other than starting her but it would out my mind at rets to hear the running of an Engine..
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couldnt you get the 90 close enough to jump start? o rbite the bullet and buy one of those £19.99 booster box's - good bit of kit and V useful ;)
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I tried that with 90 but my battery isnt much cop nor is the battery on the Lighweight so not much juice getting to Lightweight etc
thats a good idea booster box..do they ware down like a battery on continious cranking as aint shure if it will start due to damp or bad earth or somthing if ya know what i mean??
know any cheap places to buy one?
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Sorry i missed the call the other day bud, saldy since then i have lost my voice so it would be pointless calling.
If you want to pop over thats fine but giz a call first, the doors i have for the lightweight are good except the guy i bought it off got [!Expletive Deleted!] one day slammed one of em and bent it soessentially the door's are good but one at least would need a good hammering.
Either way i have a spare just about everything
will call you if i ever get my voice back
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I will ring you this afternoon after we have a viewing on the house put my name on the doors :wink:
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Got some nice second hand doors for the Light weight today from Smog you wouldnt think they had been used no rot on em ata all!!
Off to try get her running tommorow fuel needs priming up etc
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Well got her Running today cup of Fuel down the Carb and pumped lift/Fuel Pump and she fired up first time!!! :(biggrin):
Sounds sweet as well..no smoke or owt!!
So with myself being able to relax knowing the Engine is ok i carried on with the Underside and chassi cleaning and sealing..
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Cool, glad it runs and runs well.
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Cheers Smog..
Hows the Throat infection..Agrevated by the misses and Kids??
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Dead good to hear her running mate puts ya mind at rest that the rest of the Money to be spent is worthwhile!!
Still will need that Solinoid matey i have hot wired for now but i will eventully wire to a Button..Smog whats the best way how??
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ermmmmmmm will look for the solinoid over the weekend, to wire it ermmmmmm giz a couple days for me to find the wiring diagram i used (will scan n upload it). if not git the switches and i will come across n sort it, can only go wrong once or twice :lol: besides how much can a few dozen fuses cost :roll:
Throat is good now kinda, just need more sunshine and less cold and maybe i could get some wor done on the landrovers.
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Well underside of Lightweight is seal up good and proper now thank god!!
Started to clean areas off with Angle Grinder to weld up etc ..
I have a slight problem has anyone got any good ideas for getting off Rusted on wheel nuts as they have been on that long i bet they have seized on!!
I have soaked in WD40 and gave they a ood bang on each one to try to free up thread etc..
Only thing i can think of is to get some heat on then nuts..Trouble is i can only get my hands on a Small blow torch can??
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If it were driveable i would suggest going to a tyre place and ask them to loosen them all.
Banging with hammer, heating and soaking in WD40 you already tried so thats screwed, try an extension on the wheel brace (6ft scaffold tube) if nothing else it will either break them or slacken them.
Thing is you need them off regardless so essentially whats the worst you have to do ? replace a few bolts ?
:lol: when you need another axle giz a shout :lol:
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If it were driveable i would suggest going to a tyre place and ask them to loosen them all.
Banging with hammer, heating and soaking in WD40 you already tried so thats screwed, try an extension on the wheel brace (6ft scaffold tube) if nothing else it will either break them or slacken them.
As suggested, hexagonal impact socket, on a 3/4 drive is better, lean like hell on the scaff bar and get some to thump the back of the socket with at least a 2 pound lump hammer
Or like I used to do sit on the bar and hit it, be prepared to land on your backside while still sitting on the bar though :shock:
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Hobbit
If i gfet a bruised Bum i will blame you..lol :lol:
I bought and Ipact Air Driver with Sockets today i will have a go with that first then plan B My bum!!
Cheers Hobs :wink:
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The impact gun may not do it, tried it on my disco on a wheel swap, still had to revert to the 3/4 drive socket & bar and 16 stone of bouncing hobbit on the end of it
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Bet ya rigth...just thought it was a bargin for future use..
I will after get the Mohter in laws suet pudding on the end ..lol
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Sort em or still trying to find a small cache of C4 primer cord and whatever to remove the wheel nuts ?
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Smog
gonna try em today back over the Dragon ..I mean mother in laws today
cleaning the underside of the wings today and re fitting..you dont happen to know what size bolts retain them do ya or what type as they were missing when i got her??
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Most were 9/16 from what I remember
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Cheers Chris you ok??
I have been over today and manged despite the Rain to Wire Brush the Wings and Seal them again..
I also went for it with the Bulk Head Rail..I decided to Rake it all out and it has a nice hole below the Front Vent Flaps channled out to take a 5 Mil new rail when i find the metal from a scrappy..
I have found a guy who deals in metals etc and now i get all my welding plate etc from him whole 2 and 3 mil Panels that have come out of places like factorys ect and at about £3.00 per 6x6 foot panel ya cannot grump!!
i will need about 5 mil to do this or 4 not sure yet
any way i have measured up for the Rail and it is a a process of undoing the retainer Bolts along the rail inside the cab only 4 of them getting the correct gauge metal slide through the inner cab after pre drilling four holds to hold the bolts inside the cab and then weld to outer Bulkhead and then another fabricated peice of metal over the other and weld in place and that will be it!!
I say it with ease but it will be a fiddly job i have had to remove the vent flaps and rubbers to get acccess to the Bulkhead properley indside Engine bay so i can get the Angle Grinder in to clean up the surface to weld.
I will let you know how it goes
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I need some help i am about to order online from paddocsk and i ned to know this:
what are the Outriggers below the footwell on the drivers side called are they Fuel tank Outriggers or as listed on paddocks bulk head outriggers??
I know were they are but whats what????
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Ring them and describe what you are after they are quite knowledgeable
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today cut away the Rear Crossmember today what a Pants job to do awkward to cut away..loads of Trimming to do now to put the new one on at end of month as the pennys dont run it it at the mo..
Still it will be nicely prepped ready to weld in place..
Started to sand back the Lower Rear Tub and bonnet and rear lower tailgate section...thank god thats all i have to sand on it layers of crud paint wise..I have been saved doing the upper sides and Hard top as i am getting a 88" at the end of the month and i am going to probally swap over the nice canvass it has on it for the Lightweight Hard Top and sand the Hard top down at a later stage..
It dont help havng the Lightweight under a car canopy that is open both ends ..like a wind Tunnel.. :shock: :shock:
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Well got the crossmember on today wont do another with a Crossmember from paddocks didnt fit right or but up correct all over place..
Got it done in the end but wont do another with a crossmember form Paddocks ..
just got to weld in place but due to taking bets part of the day to correct the fitting it was slow work
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The one I got from paddocks was the ones with the chassis pieces on had to trip back as I didn't want to cut away perfectly good chassis, then welded up ok, used the excess to over plate the joins for strength
the actual unit was ok though
Just make sure the cross member is vertical with the tub though
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Hobbs
I had to cut a strip off the extensions as they were too long ..
I was having to get a a piece of wood lump hammer to bang it into place and open the extensions to get it to fit correct :twisted:
Right dam game..
Weld it up tommorow and then onto the new outriggers from Paddocks...mmm :roll:
Gonna fabricate a Top Rail for the bulk head i got some good steel to cut and shut..
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i got one from mm4x4 but i think there the same make (spi?) had no probs acually (very suprising). but mine was the 1/4 chassis one.
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Tell ya a pig to fit!!
Have not welded it today i Got a lump Of steel in my Eye from ngle Grinding and my eye looks like a Tomatoe!! :cry:
Plus Conjunctavitas.. spelling??...on top..Grrrr
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update again i havent been able to get to do some work on her of late..
Its funny when you havent got time to do a few bits and then when you do how relaxing it is and satisfiying when you do..
I took the Hard top off today and i am about to swap the Cnavass and sticks from the 88" so swaps,,
Started to sand back the bodywork now ready to paint..
Got to fit the Fabricated top rail and out the Wings back on and then dropp the oil out etc and she will be nealey ready for MOT.. :roll:
I am really looking forwad to painting her ..i will get some pics up when i rember..
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keep plugging away at the b**ch.
keep the piccy's coming as well.
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another update ..
I sanded all the bodywork down today with 80 Grit...yes..80 grit it was the only thing to budge layered paint and it did the trick great!!
Do we think 120 or 100 next????...any advice on finishing grade paper??
I have the rag top on now and after sanding down to finish it will be primer...trouble is ihave heared etch primer is espensive and does not go far??
i have been told that Hamerite do a " special Metal Primer????...
or indeed would i need it as it is not down to the bare metal just flated off the old paintwork like..?
I have fitted a rear tailgate now which looks much better ...funny how the Lightweights look so better with a rag top on...
i thinks its gotta be Green when finished ...original i know..
any comments on finishing grade paper welcome..ps am i right in thinking wet and dry would be best..
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last thing i am about to order some paint from Anchor is this the cheapest and would the primer be ok they sell as well?????
NATO Green - Black - Light Stone(Desert)
Available in Matt of Satin finish
Coverage 16m² per litre
Suitable for most interior and exterior surfaces
Based on an alkyd resin, can be brushed, rollered or sprayed.
(For spraying thin with up to 5% KPT04 synthetic thinners)
5 Litre Tin Matt - £37.50, Satin - £40.00
Grey Zinc Phosphate Primer
Coverage 10 - 15 m² per litre
Suitable for most interior and exterior surfaces
Can be brushed, rollered or sprayed.
(For spraying thin with up to 10% KPT04 synthetic thinners)
2.5 Litre Tin £18.00
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if you havent stripped the old paint right off you wont need etch primer just normal stuff. if youve took it back to bare metal the you need an etch primer or the hammerite stuff.
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If your wagon is a rag top, you dont need too much
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i know but i dont have any contact sfor smaller tins and plus some for touch ups after days put etc
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well fitted the fabricated Top Rail..and it dont look bad..not perfect ..but not bad..
Welded it all in place and made some top covers for inside cab as well
i then sanded the body all over with 120 the 140 so super fine now...
i gave her a Top coat of Primer and i will give her another two coats of primer then Top Coat..but i cannot find a good supplier for Nato Matt Green...any more suggestions?
I am itching to get the Top Coat done then for the inside..I must say from what she looked like she dont half look bad now..more work than i originally thought but worth it to see it come on now.
I keep forgetting to take the camera with me to the Mother In Laws as that is were she is being stored ..i will get some soon
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some pics for you with first coat of primer and Canvass on..
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looking good, iam starting to want a light weight
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Go on ...you know it makes sense!!
I just love the shape and cut away wings etc..
i think their great 8)
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i alway thought they werent as good looking as the series, but i have nearly changed my mind now. (probibly coz i own a series now)
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just gotta get it sorted and then get it threw an MOT.... :shock:
shouldnt fail but ya never know...
carnt wait to drive it without the Top on but the way things are going ..getting the time to spend on her summer will be over :(
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jus joined club and starting to get to grips with it, lightweight looking lovely 'timberdog' what colour/colours you gonna paint her? im gonna repaint mine when the sun returns-eventually!
And to the yellow series 3 owner get a lightweight as well, how cool would it be having both parked on your drive!
Duncan
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jus joined club and starting to get to grips with it, lightweight looking lovely 'timberdog' what colour/colours you gonna paint her? im gonna repaint mine when the sun returns-eventually!
And to the yellow series 3 owner get a lightweight as well, how cool would it be having both parked on your drive!
Duncan
this one has cleaned out my bank, cant even think about another yet (and the wife would kill me)
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hey tim its looking more like it should now!! what a difference a rag top makes to them... how you keeping anyway? nice to see the lightweight has been keeping you amused...bet you cant wait to get it down the lanes!
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hello Bud ..where ya been???????
Yea she dont look bad eh......Nealey ready for Top coat..
Hey i aint been Laning since we went last time...get withdrawal symptoms...hint Hint..
Hey i will PM you about somthing
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pm away then..
not been laning either...still landyless so not looking good for the foreseable future but if summat turns up will give you a shout or more than likely be summat in the greenlaning section... must admit getting withdrawal symptons myself now!
not been on the net much due to other comitments... got a boat :D or should i say a dinghy type thing with an outboard..great fun on the cut...stick a rod in and a peaceful days fishing!