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Vehicle & Technical => Defender => Topic started by: Bush Tucker Man on April 02, 2006, 20:20:15
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After browsing through the 'Vehicle Wiring Products' & 'Bearmach' catalogues, I'm becoming more inclined to upgrading the 110's lighting.
It's the larger diameter NAS lights ('93-odd' mm as opposed to '70-odd' mm diameters) that are shown in the image posted by 'mmgemeni' shows in the topic; Extra Rear Lights (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=20901) (and also in this image L4 RDH (http://community.webshots.com/photo/139093170/1249740898047309372kdmpwn))
So, to the questions; (you knew there'd be a catch :lol: )
1 With regard to the siting of the rear lights, is there an issue with them sitting flush with the bodywork, due to the 'corner capping'
2. with item #1 in mind, is it neccessary to cut/sand/grind the spacers for a better fit.
3.'mmgemeni's image answers a question, but due to the larger size, is there any conflict with swing-away wheelcariers? (dependant on make)
Thanks
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As you've mentioned my name............ :lol:
1..Not that I remember.
I'll look tomorrow if
[a]I remember.
If the water has stopped falling from the sky.
You will need to enlarge the hole in the bodywork at the rear to reposition the lights.
I've only done the tail lights.
Nothing else.
LED bulbs are fitted as well.
I have a Mantec spare wheel carrier fitted.
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As you've mentioned my name............ :lol:
I have a Mantec spare wheel carrier fitted.
Thanks Mike, it was just that the standard lights fit over the 'capping' & on the pressing that accomodates the tail/brake light
Mantec, or Bearmach 'swing-away' on the shopping list as well
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You will need to enlarge the hole in the bodywork at the rear to reposition the lights.
I would have thought that with the spacers in place the light body would fit into the standard cut-out on all post (94?) models?
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I had a look this morning.
The plinth fits the capping bit OK.
Now you will need to move the hole that the light goes into.
I used the plinth as a template.
Mine is a 1995 model.
I didn't bother changing the bulb holders.
Just swapped them into the new lens.
HTH
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Thanks Mike, I'll put them on the list & try to get them sorted (certainly before the clocks go back)
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Fitted a full set of 12-NAS lights to my 90 about 6-years ago, four at the front and eight at the rear.
You already know this but yes the bodywork needs to be drilled/cut, it took me all of 5-seconds thought before I attacked my lovely shiney new panels but I am glad I did it.
I use a WH carrier and it doesn't cover the lights at all, I suppose it might have an effect on the reversing & fog lights from some angles if you only have one of each but being paired-up I don't have that problem.
VWP are quite pricey for the lights, they are a good source for the connectors but shop around and you can get the lights cheaper.
Over the years my front side-lights have started to yellow (where the vehicle is parked they face the sun all afternoon) so replacement is on the cards. Also they can fill with condensation but I found a (very) small hole drilled at the bottom of each unit will stop this completely.
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Fitted a full set of 12-NAS lights to my 90 about 6-years ago, four at the front and eight at the rear.
VWP are quite pricey for the lights, they are a good source for the connectors but shop around and you can get the lights cheaper.
Thanks 'Litch'
I'm looking around for suppliers
I meant to ask at 'WandaHomes' (http://www.wandahome.co.uk/) when we called this afternoon as, I think(?), Elddis use the same tail lights on certain vans now
Arriva also have the same lights for front indicators & side-lights on certain vehicles.
And guess where father-in-law works for? :wink:
I'll get him to find out trade-prices
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When I bought my lights I got them from LR as they weren't in widespread use then, they gave me 10% discount and I think they worked out at around £10.50 each (6-years ago). Now you see the same lights on vans, buses, coaches, motorhomes, trailers etc.
Try your local commercial vehicle motor-factors. I have recently seen them for about £8.50 each inc plinth & bulb-holder but I can't remember where it was. If I remeber I will let you know as I am after some more anyway. :lol:
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I went into a decent Commercial Vehicle electrical suppliers in Wakefield earlier today with the intention of finding out the price from them.
Unfortunately there was a new guy in the shop & he couldn't help me with out a manufacturer (& possibly part number)
So, who makes them?, please :D
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So, who makes them?, please :D
I think L E Perei make the genuine LR ones. I recently saw some details of their LED version of the NAS lights. Nice but pricey, I'll try to find the link.
Colin
www.REEDX.net
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I think L E Perei make the genuine LR ones. I recently saw some details of their LED version of the NAS lights. Nice but pricey, I'll try to find the link.
Thnaks again Colin, can't find anything that's a suitable link to that name/business either
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This isn't the link I mentioned but it is to the Perei website.
http://www.perei.co.uk/productlisting.asp?strareano=PRODUCTCATEGORY_1
Colin
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Richard
I've just found the link I was on about
http://www.premierwiring.co.uk/UDP02.htm
Colin
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Thanks all, I'll print those pages & try to go to the specialist again tomorrow
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Eventually managed to go to specialist this morning, usual chap on the desk
Told him the manufacturer & diameter & he disappeared, less than 30seconds later he came out with a pair of stop/tail lights.
The cost?
£8.60 light unit
£1.20 plinth
Bottom line = £23.03 (inc VAT) for 2 complete units
He says they have at least a 100 of each application in stock, as a local commercial body-builder buys his stock there.
All I've got to do now is decide what to use to cut the larger hole out with.
Any suggestions for a neat finish?
They also have LED varients at about £20.00
Sorry, just in case anyone local needs to know, I got them from; AES (http://www.aeswakefield.com)
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I've just had a quick look.
The tail/stop lights require the orifice enlarging by about 2-3mm to the inner face, otherwise the plinth overlaps the body-capping to the outer edge.
In a rear indicator position, they are a straight exchange, no overlap.
I also need to sort out some self-tappers & screws for the lamps to plinths
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When I did my reverse and fog lights I used a hole saw on my drill. I took a piece of wood behind the panel and screwed it in place using the old mounting holes. This way it would stay center and the saw would not run up the body and i would have something to push against.
I got the hole saw kit at the local boot sale for £5.00 it came with 3 or 4 different hole sizes and just used the one just larger than the light. It makes a nice neat hole.
I still need to do the rest of the lights. Would you be willing to get the lights and post them to me? As I have not found them for the price you have.
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When I did my reverse and fog lights I used a hole saw on my drill. I took a piece of wood behind the panel and screwed it in place using the old mounting holes.
Good idea :idea:
I'll speak to our Estates Department & try to borrow one off the joiners, or there's a (fairly) local 'Mud-Club' member who's a joiner/kit-car builder who might lend me one, or let me do it at his house
I still need to do the rest of the lights. Would you be willing to get the lights and post them to me? As I have not found them for the price you have.
Why not ring them & ask about postage costs first, or if they can reccmmend a dealer in your area??
Have a look in Yellow Pages under Commercial Vehicle Electrical Suppliers (or some such heading)
Out of curiosity, I've just looked again at the Vehicle Wiring Products catalogue again & their prices;
£14.76 light unit
£1.72 plinth
£38.72 (inc VAT) for 2 complete units, plus postage at cost!!
As a reminder, I paid
The cost?
£8.60 light unit
£1.20 plinth
Bottom line = £23.03 (inc VAT) for 2 complete units
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I still need to do the rest of the lights. Would you be willing to get the lights and post them to me? As I have not found them for the price you have.
I'm sure we can reach an agreement if need be.
Dependant on the type of lights fitted to your 110, you could possibly utilise current Defender reverse/fog as side-light & stop/tail?
Does yours have the same pattern bulb holders in the original lights?? (all post '94 models do I believe)
Bearmach also sell them, but I don't have a catalogue to hand
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I just got a reply back from http://www.4x4store-exeter.co.uk/ . I gave them a call and have ordered a set of 8 lights. A full NAS light kit £60.00 + VAT. This includes lamps and plinths + £7.00 shipping. And they had them in stock. I should have them by Friday
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Glad you got sorted out easily =D>
I've asked the father-in-law to get me trade prices for the lamps & plinths (if he can)
My intention is to replicate the rear end of this 90 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/139093170/1249740898047309372kdmpwn) I saw a year or so ago.
With lighting pattern as such;
Stop/tail in usual position
Fog/tail in the position shown
Indicators & reverse as shown
I can't imagine a permanantly illuminated fog-lamp (21watt) causing a over-heating problem to the lens, as can happen with standard (small) lenses, as the surface area will help to dissipate any possible heat build up.
Besides the recent Defenders use exactly the same lens unit for their fog-lights
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That's exactly the same layout I have on my 90 but I use a side-hinged spare-wheel carrier to go with the side-hinged tailgate (soft-top), I believe some carriers cover one or two of the R/H lights but I have a WH one and it is perfect.
The increased illumination from the twin reversing lamps is a joy to behold.
LR have used these lamps for fog & reverse as standard for some years now, there are no heat build-up issues with the 21W bulb being on for long periods.
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That's exactly the same layout I have on my 90
Can I take it by that statement, you mean you have a 4 tail-lamp set up ?? Any chance of a dusk/night-time picture??
The increased illumination from the twin reversing lamps is a joy to behold.
Mine's actually got a 55watt work-lamp bolted to the bracing struts of the Dixon-Bate slider frame
(yes, I know it's a bit naughty & too bright)
As seen here (http://community.webshots.com/photo/533244076/2674338230047309372YYKNXs)
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Phoned the Wakefield main dealer this morning out of curiosity, & got the following prices;
AMR 6526 Stop/tail = £10.00
AMR 6527 Indicator = £25.00 :shock: ("about £25" was the phrase used)
AMR 3850 Mounting plinth = £5.00
(not included)
Didn't ask about;
AMR 3507 Reverse (& side-light)
AMR 6522 Fog
(both incorporate plinth as standard)
as they're on current production models
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Fitted the stop/tail units this morning.
I used the old-fashioned 'drill & file' method, had a scare as the bolts I bought weren't quite long enough (my own fault :oops: )
But found some that were in another box
Good grief the brake lights are bright in comparison to standard, indicators next.
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Fitted the stop/tail units this morning.
I used the old-fashioned 'drill & file' method, had a scare as the bolts I bought weren't quite long enough (my own fault :oops: )
But found some that were in another box
Good grief the brake lights are bright in comparison to standard, indicators next.
Never mind the brake lights being bright.The tail lights are as well.
I've actually had complaints that my tail lights are too bright......
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Never mind the brake lights being bright.The tail lights are as well.
I've actually had complaints that my tail lights are too bright......
I had it partially in shadow in the garage to fit them, in order to save running outside with bits 'n' pieces.
Yours are probably more 'intense' (more directional?) with the LED bulbs
I've been back & bought indicators at dinnertime as well.
Fitting was almost as quick as changing a bulb!
I used the original unit to drill pilot-holes through into the plinth & used the original screws & seal to mount the units
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I fitted NAS (think it was Bearmach or Allmakes) to the front & rear of my 110 prior to a trip across France & Spain as I thought the original 'morris' lights too small.
Never regretted it for a minute, despite cutting the bodywork up minutes after becoming the owner!
If I go back to a Defender I will almost certainly have the kit again, probably with leds this time.
It never ceases to amaze me how Landrover can produce such a physically big vehicle and rely on such tiddly lights :D
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Someone on another forum (not the one linked) let me know all about this 'How To' (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=5554) article complete with lots of details & pictures.
perhaps it might be of use to someone out there??
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Eventually fitted the front 4 this morning.
Making the initial cut with the Jig-saw was worst of all, as I had visions of the inner headlamp box coming away (as it's spot-welded?)
Anyways, it wasn't so bad, once the trim panels were back in place, I only had to trim it once so everything lined up correctly
Getting the horn bolted bak into place was another story, as there's not a lot of room down there
Now just got to buy a pair of stop/tails to use as tail/fogs at the rear, & another 4 plinths (got reverse lights already)
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She's looking good BTM 8) That goes without saying.
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She's looking good BTM 8)
As always :wink:
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nice one mate :)
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They're a darn sight brighter. I know that there's still a 5watt bulb in there, but the lens seems optically far better
The indicators are far better.
I was coming home last night at 22:00, & I turn off the A642 on a corner that has black & white chevron boards on it.
At a distance of about 60-70yards the indicators were reflecting off it.!!(the old ones never did that )
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Much better, it never made sence why on newer defenders LR persisted in fitting the crappy little ones still.
Its somthing i willl get around to on the 90 at some point, i had similar sized screw-cap metal milly ones on the 110, they also performed excellently but cost even more than the NAS ones :shock:
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Bought the stop/tails & the remaining plinths on Monday.
So when I got back this morning from Manchester Airport, I set to.
Pint pot of Tea
Spare off in order to get a straight line between indicators with a length of string
Marked up & cut
Kept all fingers, & the wiring intact :shock:
Pint of tea
Mounted plinths
Made up most of the connections*
Another pint of Tea (bl**dy hot out there!)
I forgot how heavy a 235/85 is when trying to put it back on the carrier, it's a bit warm to be doing that.
* Not all the connections are made.
There's the secondary tails to splice into the main tails yet
Near-side Fog-lamp is also to connect
They'll have to wait until I get some help (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=26011)
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Looking good there BTM however are the drivers side ones "in-line", the middle assembly looks to be a little lower :shock:
I would offer some assistance, but its a bit of a trek from here to yorkshire.
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Looking good there BTM however are the drivers side ones "in-line", the middle assembly looks to be a little lower :shock:
Yes they are. It's a 'trick of the light'
I would offer some assistance, but its a bit of a trek from here to yorkshire.
I've just been offered help on the 'S3, 90 & 110 Club' forum as well, but Matt's down in Sutton Coldfield
I didn't say, but I got the feed for the off-side reverse from the (tow-bar) work-lamp that the previous owner had fitted as an extra reverse light.
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Not all the connections are made.
There's the secondary tails to splice into the main tails yet
Near-side Fog-lamp is also to connect
They'll have to wait until I get some help (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=26011)
Earlier this evening I just thought; "Stuff It, I'll Have A Go!"
After all I could reach through open doors & windows
So on with Bob Harris (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/bobharriscountry/index.shtml) on Radio 2 & his interview with the Dixie Chicks (http://www.youtube.com/results?search=dixie+chicks&search_type=search_videos&search=Search)
(As I type 'Rockin With Suzi Q' is about half-way through \:D/ )
Thankfully the rear-most bolts ran into captive nuts & the front mounts were accessable with the middle row seats folded, then the back-rests knocked out sideways.
I could have still done with another person to take the cables out of the locking forceps I was using from underneath through the grommits.
Half-an-hour saw the remaining 3 feeds spliced in.
Still it all worked properly & doesn't blow any fuses due to the extra load
So, success :D
Edit @ 22:12
I've been out at dusk & took a photo with them lit
Apologies for the poor quality, but there's no flash, just avilable light @ 21:55
(didn't take one with fogs, as they'd just flare the image out)
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Nice, very very nice.
Must be one of the best ways to update the lighting - why didn't LR fit the NAS spec lamps as standard to the later models, the OEM fittings look so dated ?
Time to go get me some NAS spec lamps 8)
Jim
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Jim. they're seem so bright that I don't even think that LED bulbs are really requierd with them.
As I stated earlier, the front indicators reflected off a Chevron board (corner marker) at 70yards of so, the standard lights didn't do that.
If there is one near you, try a commercial vehicle electrical suppliers, or a commercial body-builder.
They might have some, or point you towards a supplier??
All the normal lights (indicators, side & tail) plug straight in, as they're the same bulb holders.
Thanks to 'suds', who sent me a PDF file (inc photos) of the rear-connectors, I found out that the fogs & reverses have a dis-similar plug to the rest of the lights.
There are fog & reverse feeds in situ to both sides, just not connected up.
However, on post 2002(?) models with the circular (NAS) fogs, it might be a differant matter.
The lom might be acceptant of 'Econo-seal' plugs for fog & reverse??
It's feasible(?) that by using a mixture of Genuine Parts bulb holders that cutting tinto the loom can be avoided?
If you follow me?
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I already have the NAS rear fog and reverse lamps fitted - the connectors appear to be the same as the stop/tails, albeit they are coated in a far amount of crud !
My plan is to double up the rear fog and reverse lamps (as per BTM's), but leaving the fogs as just fogs, and then to fit additional stop/tails on the 'flat bit' of the roof above the rear door - I can't see there being any legal issues with the tail lamps, as tall wagons have tail lamps up there, but would the extra stop lamps be a problem being so high off the ground ?
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My plan is to double up the rear fog and reverse lamps (as per BTM's), but leaving the fogs as just fogs
You'll possibly(?) have problems due to the positioning to pair them up??
Admittedly I haven't examined the placements on a Td5, would they interfere with the lower hinge?
then to fit additional stop/tails on the 'flat bit' of the roof above the rear door - I can't see there being any legal issues with the tail lamps, as tall wagons have tail lamps up there, but would the extra stop lamps be a problem being so high off the ground ?
I reckon the tail filaments should be okay, as they'll be classed as 'Marker Lights'
Buses have (very) high-level brake lights, as do Ambulances
Wolfie posted a link to the Vehicle Lighting Regulations (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=24709) a while ago
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I measured up yesterday, a second reverse lamp and rear fog will fit - but I might have problems fitting the (planned) swing-away spare wheel carrier. As the swing-away is more important the the lights, I will purchase and fit the carrier and then see if the lamps will still fit.
You're right about Ambulances having high-level lamps - ours (BHAPS) have LED stop/tail and indicators, and they are very bright even in bright sunshine.
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Jim.
How about this variation on the theme?? (http://www.frogsisland4x4.com/featured_projects/featured_projects_station_wagon.htm)
That'll make mine look pathetic on a gloomy night :roll:
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I measured up yesterday, a second reverse lamp and rear fog will fit - but I might have problems fitting the (planned) swing-away spare wheel carrier. As the swing-away is more important the the lights, I will purchase and fit the carrier and then see if the lamps will still fit.
Jim, also look at the carrier in the above link*
I've been to the 'Huddersfield Land Rover Centre' (see the 'I Want!, I Want!!' (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=26318) thread) & Simmonites looking at carriers
Both offered models lower mounts are sited in the reverse lens position.
The Piv-Lok (at 'HLRC') looks dare I say, too agricultural & archaic & you can't open the door from inside (not good on a Station wagon)
The Simmonites 'African Spec' lower bracket again covers the lens completely (don't know manufacturer)
I've been asking about this on LRnet (http://forum.landrovernet.com/showthread.php?t=69159), see if it'll open for you & have a read
* I've been told on LRnet (if it is the same carrier) that they're about £300 :shock:
Going to phone/e-mail over this matter later this morning, & will let you know the outcome
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Oooooo, I like the Frogs Island wheel carrier (don't like the price though :( )
Their place down in Didcot is within my work 'area' - perhaps I need to find an excuse for a trip down that way :wink:
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try this option...
http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/OFFROAD/Products%20images/cats/ext/rwc/rwc-HL-3.jpg
link from scorpion's site but shows their/wvh carrier and nas lights
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try this option...
ink from scorpion's site but shows their/wvh carrier and nas lights
Thanks 'suds'
It does indeed look as though it clears the lights, & also allows the rear door to be opened from inside.
I'll 'speak' to them as well.
On enlarging the image & examining it. it appears that the mount fits just under the NAS lights & in-line with the bottom edge of the door.
I'll have to ask them for measurements to be sure
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Hi Guys.
If you're looking for a good quality wheel carrier that looks great and opens with the rear door, then try the "Safari equip" or W.H. Engineering as they used to be known.
http://www.safari-equip.co.uk/accwheelcarriers.htm
I sold and fitted a lot of these and wouldn't recommend anything else.
The chap you need to speak to is Adrian (phone number on link somewhere), tell him Jeremy (ex Nene overland) pointed you in that direction. Seriously, THE BEST.
Cheers,
Jeremy
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E-mailed 'Frogs' & will post their reply
Scorpion reckon it's very close to the lights, but does fit & it looks as though it'll cost me about £225 (inc vat & delivery)
Might phone 'W&H Wheelcarriers' (now 'WVH'?) up at Bradford, as they manufacture for Scorpion (or did?) & see what they say
I can always drive over & see them.
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Just received this reply frm Frogs Island
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Hi Richard,
Thanks for your e-mail.
The Rugged trail wheel carrier does fit to 1/2 the rear x-member. You are
correct in saying that the rear door cannot be opened from the inside when
the carrier is fitted. The price of the carrier is £315.00 + VAT and labour
to fit is £135.00 + VAT. We carry these items in stock.
Regards
JJ
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£370 :shock: :shock: (plus postage!!)
Hi Guys.
If you're looking for a good quality wheel carrier that looks great and opens with the rear door, then try the "Safari equip" or W.H. Engineering as they used to be known.
http://www.safari-equip.co.uk/accwheelcarriers.htm
I sold and fitted a lot of these and wouldn't recommend anything else.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Thanks Jeremy
No wonder I can't find a proper link to them, as they've changed names
I know where they are, as they're still in the same premises as when I collected a detachable tow-bar from them for my 90 about 5years ago.
Well, that's their fabrication unit.
I
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Just received this reply frm Frogs Island
Hi Richard,
You are correct in saying that the rear door cannot be opened from the inside when the carrier is fitted.
Is this normal not to be able to open the door with a rear wheel carrier fitted, if so it kinda dampens my idea of one for the 90 as the kids are beginning to get themselves in and out :)
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I was under the impression that most spare wheel carriers open with the door as they hinge on the main bodywork and the door itself - so opening the door from the inside shouldn't be a problem.......it's just the Rugged Trail carrier (Frogs Island) hinges off the rear cross-member, and has some sort of locking mechanism on the hinge - so that it can only be unlocked (and 'swung away') from the outside.
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it's just the Rugged Trail carrier (Frogs Island) hinges off the rear cross-member, and has some sort of locking mechanism on the hinge - so that it can only be unlocked (and 'swung away') from the outside.
'Piv-Lock' is the same, it has a locking handle on the external mount
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Hi Richard.
Just give WH a ring and they'll talk you through fitting and even modify if you need to.
£370!!!!!
Does that come with a new Boost alloy and BFG mud terrain?
Jeremy
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Hi Richard.
Just give WH a ring and they'll talk you through fitting and even modify if you need to.
£370!!!!!
Does that come with a new Boost alloy and BFG mud terrain?
Jeremy
I was trying on the phone for about an hour, but it was constantly engaged, so I sent an e-mail - waiting for a reply
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Almost finish my rebuild of 300TDI. Saw this thread, but had difficulty finding how to reduce photos. Hopefully I have done them now.
They show the lights fitted with Scorpion Racing swingaway wheelcarrier fitted and steps.
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Some further photos. Hope this help.
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Now that's interesting 'Fleet'.
Did you have tochange the position of the lights (ie raise them up slightly), or lower the carrier - I thought the Scorpion bolted through the capping?
More photos when finished please :D
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I had to raise the lights slightly
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I bought a set of 12 NAS lights & plinths (4 red + 8 white lights) I'm fitting dual fogs & rev lights. Got them on eblag from Boltonbits. Had a long conversation with the guy seems a real genuine chap.
Paid £83 inc post. arrived in 2 days. Reckon it was a good deal from what BTM said.
Still got to get connectors before I try fitting them.
This is their eblag shop
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZboltonbitsQQhtZ
I'm pleased with them :D thought someone else might link the link.
Jim
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I'm fitting dual fogs & rev lights.
Jim
Why not get the appropriate bulb-holders (for the lower set) & rig up a 4 tail-light system like mine?? (see images on page 2)
It'll be far safer in bad weather, even though the lamps themselves are brighter before being even switched on (see page 1 for both types held together)
The standard position (top) set are the usual tail/stop, but the lower set are also stop/tail units which are wired as tail/fogs
Surprisingly the fogs have a slightly differant lens shape to the stop/tails (must be do so with the focal point of the bulbs filament???)
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rig up a 4 tail-light system like mine??
Might just try that. BTM yours look very effective.
I'm fitting led bulbs as well. So should be bright enough either way.
Got to get the connectors & cable before I start to fit. If SWMBO lets me I'll get the job finished this week. I'll post a pic when it's done.
Thanks for all the pics & info. It'll make the job much easier.
I like doing electrics almost as much as going to the dentist.
Jim.
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Bizarre - I posted in here this morning, but what I wrote is not here :?
Anyhow, what I said was............
Having spent all this time and money fitting NAS spec lights - does anybody know if you can get guards to afford them some protection ?
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Finished the NAS instal. 8)
Thanks for the sugestion Richard. The fog/tails are better than fogs alone.
I can't understand why Landrover never did something like this, It looks much more modern in m opinion as well as being safer. Perhaps the new (Ford) defender will be better in this respect.
Just need to get some paint now for the tailgate to hide where the hinges used to be. Changing to side-opening makes getting in the back so much easier.
Got to try not to bash the lights while trialling. If anyone has ideas for rear guards?? I think just the upper rears are vulnerable, the lowers are protected by rear bumpers.
Jim.
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Finished the NAS instal. 8)
Thanks for the sugestion Richard. The fog/tails are better than fogs alone.
I can't understand why Landrover never did something like this, It looks much more modern in m opinion as well as being safer. Perhaps the new (Ford) defender will be better in this respect.
Just need to get some paint now for the tailgate to hide where the hinges used to be. Changing to side-opening makes getting in the back so much easier.
Got to try not to bash the lights while trialling. If anyone has ideas for rear guards?? I think just the upper rears are vulnerable, the lowers are protected by rear bumpers.
Jim.
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Looks very good there Jim
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I have read all of this post and have always wanted nas lights for the 90 but with a difference, so i thought how about clear nas lights! I have changed some of your pics from this thread so i could see if they looked any good because i have never seen this setup before!
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/Blue_defender_90/clearnasleft.jpg) (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/Blue_defender_90/clearnasright.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/Blue_defender_90/clearnasrear2.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/Blue_defender_90/clearnasrear.jpg)
I think it will look quite smart btw i am not doing the front because im not too keen on nas at the front so i will keep my clear normal front lenses.
Ive got a quick quote from a company which is about £40 but i will get a written quote later tonight.
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I can't understand why Landrover never did something like this, It looks much more modern in m opinion as well as being safer. Perhaps the new (Ford) defender will be better in this respect.
Don't bank on on it.
From what I've seen & the articles posted on here, by me & others, it's still got exactly the same lighting set-up as usual.
A missed opportunity to help modernise the external appearance (& make it considerably safer)
I have read all of this post and have always wanted nas lights for the 90 but with a difference, so i thought how about clear nas lights! I have changed some of your pics from this thread so i could see if they looked any good because i have never seen this setup before!
Ive got a quick quote from a company which is about £40 but i will get a written quote later tonight.
That's a good price, but may not include plinths?
It looks okay on yours, due to the colour, but I think it looks out of place on mine.
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psssst thats not mine its someone elses lol :P
This is mine :lol:
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/Blue_defender_90/Image000-1.jpg)
note crap tyres :oops:
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psssst thats not mine its someone elses lol :P
This is mine :lol:
That looks suspiciously like the car-park on the road between Woodhead Pass & Glossop
(by Torside Reservoir (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=405000&Y=397500&width=700&height=400&gride=403684.209068161&gridn=393980.516910782&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=freegaz&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=true&zm=0&scale=50000&multimap.x=419&multimap.y=155))
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Its in dalby forest drive near langdale quest
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Its in dalby forest drive near langdale quest
I stand corrected (I was going by the terraced aspect)
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Thanks for all the help Richard, ordered the bits I needed today, so fingers crossed I should have mine fitted within a week. I do like the all white lights! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Thanks for all the help Richard, ordered the bits I needed today,
Happy to help Mark
One minor point??
Are they TUV compliant??
(or is the Landy English registered)
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TUV compliant?
not sure! :roll:
Are they?
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TUV compliant?
not sure! :roll:
Are they?
Don't know
Didn't even think about it before, sorry..........
But am I correct in assuming that the TUV is to do with the regulations for roadworthyness in Germany? (or is that just new cars/accessories)
However, they are 'EU' marked/compliant (or whatever it actually states), so there should be no problems
What's good for one state will be good for another (bar the French)
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Just a quick question what size bulbs are they? Is it the same bulbs for all the lights, or different for the rear red ones.
Thanks
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Just a quick question what size bulbs are they? Is it the same bulbs for all the lights, or different for the rear red ones.
Thanks
I utilsed the same bulbs & holders as my old lights
Ie;
5 watt; front side-light
21watt; indicators & reverse
5/21; tail/brake & tail/fog
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Ok so I finally got around to fitting mine....... still have to wire in the extra fog and reverse lights but havent got the plugs yet............ however I have this week off work so will be going in search of them! Thanks for all your help Richard :D
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Helen :D :D :D
That looks great!
I don't know how you connected up the existing fog/reverse.
If you did use the existing cabling (& just replaced the plug at the bulb end), why not buy the correct plugs/cables from Farnells* (on Frizinghall Road?)
That way you can plug straight into the loom, as these 'should'(!) have the plug on the end for the bulb-holder as well??
Did you go the same way as me & buy the lower pair to set up as tail/fogs, or are they just fogs??
If you can't get the relevant plugs, let me know
but once more try Farnells* (ought to be next-day delivery??)
Have you checked them out in the dark yet?
Get Johnty to drive it down the road & just see the differance :D
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I mean Albert Farnell
Not Farnells at Armley, as that's a trade/professional suppliers (of the maplins sort)
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Thanks :D I didnt do the tail/fog lights but I may change depending on how easy it is ( I really didnt understand Johnty when he was trying to tell me about it :shock: )
I know both Farnells, the one at Armley we use for LEDs and things on occasion but apparently the place I got the lights do the plugs (so johnty tells me) Bolt on Bits on ebay but they also advertise in one of the mags as 4x4bits or something similar.
Have you checked them out in the dark yet?
Get Johnty to drive it down the road & just see the differance :D
Sorry but I dont think I can do that........ he is banned from driving it cos he drives too fast :lol: :lol: :lol: Oooooo alright then I may just let him this once :wink:
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Thanks :D I didnt do the tail/fog lights but I may change depending on how easy it is ( I really didnt understand Johnty when he was trying to tell me about it :shock: )
One thing I didn't appreciate until it was pointed out to me is that stop/tail lenses are differant to fog-light lenses.
It's due to the focal point of the bulb (only a marginal varience, not enough to matter I shouldn't think?)
I know both Farnells, the one at Armley we use for LEDs and things on occasion but apparently the place I got the lights do the plugs (so johnty tells me) Bolt on Bits on ebay but they also advertise in one of the mags as 4x4bits or something similar.
I thought Farnells were trade only, but I guess Johnty has a card/account/VAT registration?
Then again, it's easier for you there, than down to Maplins (Regent Street, otherside of the York Road 'flyover,' from Leeds bus-station)
Have you checked them out in the dark yet?
Get Johnty to drive it down the road & just see the differance :D
Sorry but I dont think I can do that........ he is banned from driving it cos he drives too fast :lol: :lol: :lol: Oooooo alright then I may just let him this once :wink:
You'll be surprised at the luminosity in comparison to the old units (I reckon let him take 400yards away :lol: