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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: lee celtic on April 20, 2005, 12:17:21
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how do I know when I have cut enough of the arches out ?
I have trimed enough to stop the tyres rubbing when cornering at speed and jumping speed humps at 35mph but how do I know when I've gone far enough , you see I have black plastic arch trims fitted and don't realy want to distort the line of the arches too much if I can help it :shock: I have been up a local lane that does cross the axles quite a bit and it was fine :D but I'm going to the mayday mud fest and don't really want it to hold me back :twisted:
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The general rule is you need to cut, from the bottom, at least 1" in horizontally and they taper it up in a straight line to arround the height of the plastic edging strip. Mine runs a 1.5" lift and 235/85/16's. I also took a nick out of the lip on the front edge of the rear arch too.
You can just make out the black line on the masking tape in the photo...
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Have you any ramps put one at the front left and one rear right and see if it will clear ok.and vis a vis.
http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/dave/gallery/Tyre%20fit/0
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Or.....be radical and do this :-
http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/thrasher/gallery/ArchCutting
That's the proper way to make sure you do not get bent rear panels :-)
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Yes Thrasher I know you can cut off loads but then the black plastic arches don't fit no more ... :shock: (nice pics by the way)
The way mace has it looks just dandy I'll get the grinder out tonight :wink:
I've already removed the front valance so do I still need to trim the bumper ends or is cutting the valance off enough on the front??
Thanks for the replies by the way :D
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Lee, I used a jigsaw with a fine tooth blade specifically for cutting sheet metal. Like a knife through butter and nice and straight.
A metal cutting disc on an angle grinder may clog a bit with the aluminium being soft.
The end caps are easy too, (i used the same blade) once you've got em off mind. My screws were rusted solid. Anyway, cut the end caps along the horizontal line thats obvious along the side of the end cap. Easy Peasy.
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This is how you see if it will catch.
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That isnt articulation..... its loose :shock:
Has someone forgot to put some bolts back?? :wink:
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wow :shock: now that is impressive :shock: i want one like that :lol: :lol:
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Then try it on full lock just to be sure.
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That makes mine look standard!! :?
(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/landrovers/001.jpg)
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Well i would'nt quite say that 8)
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i have had a go at mine i hope its enough if not out comes the buzz saw again :roll: see my pics bumper bits :wink:
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Well i would'nt quite say that 8)
Thanks Dave, I feel better now. :D
I was thinking though.............if it's got coil-overs on the rear, what's on the front? :?
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Mmmmm nice tyres on the fork lift :D :D
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Budgie....i see you're a Grabber Man, nice choice :-)
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We're not all grabber men .
Some of us are fondlers :wink:
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Budgie....i see you're a Grabber Man, nice choice :-)
Ya, now we're married I can grabber any time I............ Oh, your talking about the tyres arn't you! :oops:
These are the second set of Grabber MT's I've had. Good on & off road manners and cheaper than BFG's, although a little less life expectency, mind you the 235x85's on my 90 did about 30k so not all that bad! :D
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i reckon i trimmed just enough off of mine 8)
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This how much I needed to cut away, to accomodate the larger offset of the reversed wheels and larger tyres.
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You can see the larger offset here
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Phill,
Where did you get the plastic archs from ?
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They are the original ones cut down
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where did u get the wheels from?
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They are the original L/R steel wheels reversed and a good coating of black enamel
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They are the original ones cut down
They look good. :wink:
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Found out at the weekend that i have'nt cut mine enough!!!
I thought that 2" off the lot and "camel'd" the rears would have done it for my 235/85R16's.
When this pic was taken the N/S rear bit the arch and the O/S front bit the loose bumper
Whoops!!
Just show's you what Scorpion Racings 2" lift does on its own.
(no other suspension mods YET)
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I'm gonna take me grinder on it's hols to Bala that way if they catch I can trim them for the next day and keep going until they don't catch.. :D
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I'm gonna take me grinder on it's hols to Bala that way if they catch I can trim them for the next day and keep going until they don't catch.. :D
Have you got a generator? You could do while you're out, then :wink: :lol:
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Gords wrote
Have you got a generator? You could do while you're out, then
Now there's an Idea 8)
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Found out at the weekend that i have'nt cut mine enough!!!
I thought that 2" off the lot and "camel'd" the rears would have done it for my 235/85R16's.
When this pic was taken the N/S rear bit the arch and the O/S front bit the loose bumper
Whoops!!
Just show's you what Scorpion Racings 2" lift does on its own.
(no other suspension mods YET)
You may find your axles are travelling up further now you've got your lift. I've fitted longer bump stops to mine (some say do it some say don't bother) so at the expense of a bit of articulation on extremes, the tyres no longer catch the arches.
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I've gone the same route as Mace.
Longer bumpstops on the rear and put standard rear bumpstops on the front.
After Belgium last year I had tyre marks around the inner wings, both front & rear, so that was a signal to change something and it was easier to change the bumpstops than raise the body! :roll:
Having said that, at Belgium I the 33" tyres with only a 2" lift. Since putting the 3" lift springs on then it doesn't come near the stops of full articulation. But they're still there just in case. :wink:
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Thanks for the tip guys
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hello i am new to the mud club it is a great site and thanks to this post i cut my rear arches last weekend so hopefully no more tyre scrapping, cheers for the pictures and hello to all. joe
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Hey Joe
First post hey!!
Well done on cutting you arches. How much did you remove??
Got any pictures??
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Welcome to the Mud Club Joe, glad we could assist. :D
I see you're not new to a little alteration on the Disco though, looking at the mod's you've made! :wink:
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Hello to you Joe :D
Well we went to bala and I managed to pop out both rear springs and the tyres didn't catch so I think I'VE CUT ENOUGH Thats it, thread closed :wink:
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What you need mate is some of them re-location cones....I've heard they're very good :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh): :(biglaugh):
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all you need is some jubilee clips they hold my rear springs in lovely :lol:
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all you need is some jubilee clips they hold my rear springs in lovely :lol:
I saw someone on the Belgium National last year who had done that and instead of the springs dislocating at the top when it was at full articulation, he had broken both lower spring retaining bars and the rear springs were dangerously close to coming off the plate on the axle and dropping the vehicles chassis onto the axle. :shock:
So make sure thoughs little plates, that secure the spring at the bottom, are strong enough to hold the full weight the axle! It's no fun trying to replace rear springs in the middle of an off-road course!! :wink:
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all you need is some jubilee clips they hold my rear springs in lovely :lol:
I saw someone on the Belgium National last year who had done that and instead of the springs dislocating at the top when it was at full articulation, he had broken both lower spring retaining bars and the rear springs were dangerously close to coming off the plate on the axle and dropping the vehicles chassis onto the axle. :shock:
So make sure thoughs little plates, that secure the spring at the bottom, are strong enough to hold the full weight the axle! It's no fun trying to replace rear springs in the middle of an off-road course!! :wink:
Was that on the Trails course on Sunday, there was a Rangie in real trouble with his rear springs? Took him ages to get everything straight again and after all he was only doing 0.005 mph over a double hump.
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Na, this was a Disco.
I think he said one side had gone in the early part of the course and the other side went on the second from last section.
He was lucky, the springs didn't actually come off the axle, but were very close!
He pulled out of the course after second side went, just incase!! :wink:
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I poped them on the first day so the second day I had some luverlyjubberly clips on them . 8)
I've heard of the bottom bars bending too so I'm making some stronger ones at work this week :D
Thanks to all in my group on the first day as they stopped with me on the side of the road and helped put the springs back wouldn't have got far on my own as my jack packed up. :D
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Thanks to all in my group on the first day as they stopped with me on the side of the road and helped put the springs back wouldn't have got far on my own as my jack packed up. :D
No problem Lee :) Actually, I think that's the first time my bottle jack has been used :-k :lol:
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Hows the gearstick now Gordon? :lol:
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Hows the gearstick now Gordon? :lol:
http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=7870&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Much better, thank you :wink:
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ah i will have a look over the weekend at my retaining bars if they look weak and feeble il make some super strong ones up as i dont like the sound of the whole rear spring coming out. BIG BLUE DISCO i will put some pictures on here over the weekend off my arches, i cut off 2" in the end but i havnt tested them out yet cheers.joe
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looking forward to seeing them Joe
:shock: 8)
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http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/turtle/gallery/sand
old joe needs his arches cut out have a look at the link anybody wants give me a hand give me a shout cause i haven't a clue
all serious
Dazza :D :twisted: :D
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It doesn't look as though you need a lot taken out on the trailing edge. :D
Is it touching anywhere else?
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Budgie
me turtle looked at it doesn't seem to be rubbing anywhere else that we could see.
always nervous when taking a jigsaw blade to the car
Dazza :twisted:
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I found a good rule of thumb to go by when cutting, is when you can fit your head between the tyre and arch its about right !!!!!!!!!
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http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/turtle/gallery/sand
old joe needs his arches cut out have a look at the link anybody wants give me a hand give me a shout cause i haven't a clue
all serious
Dazza :D :twisted: :D
Dazza, I've done mine and I'm a dab hand witha jigsaw. Anytime mate.
What were the photos towards the end of the gallery about. Signs and gates etc??
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mace mate
they were phils we found a byway locked and detective chief inspector turtle decied to investigate.
best get the kettle on and i'll bring my own hot chocolate
pass the jigsaw masking tape and the machine that goes bleep
dazza :D :twisted: :D
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always nervous when taking a jigsaw blade to the car
Dazza :twisted:
Yours is nothing, look what I had to do when I was fitting the wheelarch flares to mine!! :?
(http://forums.mud-club.com/files/dscf0011_261.jpg)
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Dazza, i've found Phil's post under Greenlaning and given my response. Cheers.
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read it mace
nice to have some local knowledge on this one
thanks mate
dazza :D
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Good pictures there Dazza
Dont forget to take plenty when you give them 'the chop'
:D
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Daz old joe is really looking the part now, them tyres look great nice to see you had the BFG. and all your lights work. shhh turtles don't.
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thanks dave
struggle at mo so much i want to do to the old boy not enough mony and my mates getting married in July so no spending at billing
but he's getting there
dazza
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i agree darren mate "old joe" is looking wicked now :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Looks great
Almost clean enough to be in the Clean Green posse!!
:D
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can i be a honory member of the clean green posse or the burnham off roaders?
i have spent most my childhood in slough and around burnham beeches just ask my mum she was born in so was my grandpapy agegegege!!!! slough :twisted: :twisted: :D
and yes i do know windsor and the surrounding area's
dazza :D :D :twisted:
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Gords took this picture on the first day of the may mudfest coming down from the lake it shows the rear tyre all the way in the arch and it isn't touching 8) all I did was trim an inch off the back edge as mace said at the begining of this thread and then cut the bulge off the bottom of the plastic arch so it would push flat against the body panel then stuck one pop rivet through the plastic arch and the panel and riveted the two together looks real neat and works :D
Ps hope you don't mind me showing one of your pics gords but they're just too good to hide in your profile.. :wink:
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No probs Lee :D Here's a close-up cropped version
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Desk top me thinks :wink: :wink:
Cheers Gords :D
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Let me know if you'd like me to send you the original :D