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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: stuntman on October 06, 2007, 20:02:27
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Well I went off to B&Q tonight and picked up 2m of 68mm black down pipe, 2 45 degree's and 1 90 degree bend, and a couple of brackets and some plastic glue and black mastic/ silicone.
I'm a little concerned about the wing cutting, has anyone a guide I can print off that's a step by step idiots guide or can anyone post any tips at all?
Andi K
Oh and I'll hopefullt do a picture guide of the install if it can help anyone else!
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i went down the B&Q route to, you will need a 135 degree elbow to
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Well I went off to B&Q tonight and picked up 2m of 68mm black down pipe, 2 45 degree's and 1 90 degree bend, and a couple of brackets and some plastic glue and black mastic/ silicone.
I'm a little concerned about the wing cutting, has anyone a guide I can print off that's a step by step idiots guide or can anyone post any tips at all?
Andi K
Oh and I'll hopefullt do a picture guide of the install if it can help anyone else!
Andi, check the engine bay for rubber covers where the safari snorkel would enter. I had one either side and they cover up pre drilled internal holes. All I did was drill a pilot hole from the inside before using a hole cutter from the outside. Then a little finishing trim.
If you've not already done so... check out my gallery for photos and here (http://www.landyworld.co.uk/diydiscosnorkel.html) for a write up.
**Clicky Now Correct! Thanks Paul!** :oops:
Skibum
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Might do mine tomorrow if im feeling daring!!! :roll:
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i went down the B&Q route to, you will need a 135 degree elbow to
Russ
whats tyres are on your Disco??
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Found the template for my Mantec snorkle, if you print it as A4 it will be the right size. The pipe enters the wing at the bottom of the pillar and travels along the inner wing with a flexi pipe onto the airbox. Hope this helps
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Hello there skibum, is the 135 degree bend for the bottom of the screen pillar?
I'll go get one this morning and see how it goes!
Thanks chaps
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Have a look at my link.
Stu
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Thanks stu, I'm starting the project ......
.....now!
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good luck and take some pictures
8)
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Done!
Pictures to follow, and I hate to say it but I think there is quite a difference in the low down torque, but it could just be me!
Thanks for the advice everyone
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If I was to do a DIY again I would take the pipe down the windscreen panel and use a 90 bend to go straight into the wing the another 90 inside the wing, joined with a short piece of pipe.
I do have to say I am very pleased with the results!
Thanks again everyone
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Tell you what, that looks bloody good......
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dont forget to extened the breathers and a fit wading plug if your planing on going swiming..
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Well done a real professional looking job, you've spurred me on to do mine the only change I'd make is have it running closer to the window pillar, but saying that your's looks fantastic =D> and were did you get the top from and how much cheers peter
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dont forget to extened the breathers and a fit wading plug if your planing on going swiming..
Reminds me, need to drain the 'chocolate milkshake' out of rabbit's front diff.
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i went down the B&Q route to, you will need a 135 degree elbow to
Russ
whats tyres are on your Disco??
Suggs
235/85r16 bronco dirt devils
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Looks MEGA. Will endeavour to getting round to doing mine later this week. Going to do mine slightly differently and see how it works out.
Having put a thread on last month about it and had quite a few responses Im going for 75mm pipe to try and get maximum airflow, hopefully shouldn't effect performance too much (fingers crossed).
Im planning to use some crazy flexible (but relatively speaking rigid) hose to make my bends out of the inner wing and also the corner- up the side of the screen. see how it works out anyway..... If I remember Ill take some piccys!
Also I think Im going to cut the bend to get the mushroom straight on the top and glass fibre it on the inside to try and get a smooth finish rather than going for a 45 degree pipe bend- see how it works out- Im not sure if my idea will even work yet!
Good to see more people rebelling against designer gucci offroad gear :lol: !
Chris
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Chris Putt wrote
Good to see more people rebelling against designer gucci offroad gear
Here Here =D> =D>
And here's my rebelious side completed today 8)(http://members.mud-club.com/gallerythumbs/6c1e434a582f2139058f8147debe8fcb.JPG)
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Heloo suggs, that's the plan. Have it all in place and if and when my skills improve I'd like to be able to everything I want without thinking if it will all be ok.
I work in the hydraulics and pnuematics business, as well as bearings and fastners etc, so I'll be doing my own version of what cheviot 4x4 offer, I'll post some prices aswell for the individual components if it helps anyone. I may also be able to supply these as a kit at not much more than cost, but I'll need to see if it's a viable option.
Discoverytdi, my plan was to mount it closer but there are a few problems with estimating the cut hole etc, if I do it again it will end up being closer in to the pillar.
The mushroom top came from Paddocks which is only about 15mins from where I live.
Thanks everyone!
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have you tested the snorkel yet to see if its water tight ?
remove the snorkel top , have the engine at a smidge above tick over and then put your hand onto the tube, the engine should stall if its sealed good
alot of people fit snorkels but fail to test them :cry: :cry:
dan
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Thanks for that, I will do first thing in the morning, that is the best advice so far Dan.
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dont be alarmed when all the pipes suck in, thats ok
be alarmed if you hear hissing from a air leak :lol:
most common cause is the water dump valve
i will always suggest blanking that off IMO but some prefer to leave it in
i however run with no airbox on my 90, so ino theres nothing to leak
dan
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Heloo suggs, that's the plan. Have it all in place and if and when my skills improve I'd like to be able to everything I want without thinking if it will all be ok.
I work in the hydraulics and pnuematics business, as well as bearings and fastners etc, so I'll be doing my own version of what cheviot 4x4 offer, I'll post some prices aswell for the individual components if it helps anyone. I may also be able to supply these as a kit at not much more than cost, but I'll need to see if it's a viable option.
Discoverytdi, my plan was to mount it closer but there are a few problems with estimating the cut hole etc, if I do it again it will end up being closer in to the pillar.
The mushroom top came from Paddocks which is only about 15mins from where I live.
Thanks everyone!
thanks stuntman do you have the part No as I can't find it on there web site cheers peter
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Hello chap, sorry I don't off hand, they do advertise it in their ads in LRM and the other publications, they call it a snorkel mushroom top if that helps!
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read this last nite a ran out to b&q with the shopping list lol how have u joined it all to the intake pipe on the filter??? looked close at the pics an cant see how its airtight, cheers for gettin my backside into gear lol
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Currently they are smothered in black silicone inside and out, I will however be taking it apart at the weekend and using a plastic cement to bond it together, I have plenty of door seal lying around if you are local to me and you want some for tidying up the wing.
I am using a wide strip of rubber between the pipe and the air box and a big jubilee clamp.
There is definitly an improvement in available torque from the engine low down.
Come on everyone, who else is joining project drainpipe!
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most common cause is the water dump valve...
I'd thought of testing my Southdown and basically just held a piece of paper up to the intake and made sure it stayed there (on the Southdown air can still get in round the sides if that makes sense...the intake is not flat). Although probably not a good enough test!
Intrigued by your "stall it" idea, although I might put a quick call in to Dave at Southdown first to make sure that the flexi will recover! Where is this water dump valve by the way?
Thanks!
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Hello there, the water dump vale on the 200 tdi is (as you look into the engine bay) at the front bottom left of the air box, small rubber thing.
Hope that helps
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Mines a 300Tdi...
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Just wanted to say that 135deg and 45deg is the same elbow just reversed direction. In case anyone is trying to find one and can't.
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Haha, I should have realised that, doh!
And just to say, I'll post some pics of how I attached the snorkel top to the pipe, as you need to hack saw the beaded edge down and it will be a nice snug fit inside the mushroom, then jubilee clamp it up and away you go :)
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most common cause is the water dump valve...
I'd thought of testing my Southdown and basically just held a piece of paper up to the intake and made sure it stayed there (on the Southdown air can still get in round the sides if that makes sense...the intake is not flat). Although probably not a good enough test!
Intrigued by your "stall it" idea, although I might put a quick call in to Dave at Southdown first to make sure that the flexi will recover! Where is this water dump valve by the way?
Thanks!
remove the plastic scoop of the stainless pipe and put your hand over it
the pipe will recover, mine does :wink:
dan
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Where do you get a 45 degree angle? I cant find one anywhere, (Homebase, travis perkins, plumb centre, buildbase)
The final piece of the puzzle!!!
Chris
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Use 43.5 from B&Q, its close enough.
Stu.
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That's the one's i used, a 43 for the top a 43 at the wing, then a short piece of pipe through the wing, then a 135 then more pipe to a 90, then another short piece into the air box, I'm going to seal it all properly when I've made my breather kit, if I can get the thread sizes for the axels, gearbox, transfer box, and timing cover.
Regards Andi K
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I'm feeling distinctly proud of myself boys... I'm sure I wasn't the first but to see so many people following my path in creating a snorkel is fab.
When I was at the L2B a couple of weeks ago, I was following the marshalls directions to a prking spot and suddenly found myself in the arena getting interviewed... whoever he was asked what I'd dont to my beastie and was taken aback when I coined the term "B&Q Snorkel"!!!! :lol:
Keep it up lads... you know it makes sense!
Skibum
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most common cause is the water dump valve...
blah blah blah
Thanks!
remove the plastic scoop of the stainless pipe and put your hand over it
the pipe will recover, mine does :wink:
dan
Yeah, the only thing I'm worried about is breaking the seal of the pipe into the airbox. If you look at the pictures I posted on the other snorkel thread you'll see what I mean, the pipe fits inside the airbox mouth, and whilst there is plenty silicone and tape holding it all together to stop water ingress from the outside, there's nothing to stop the pipe collapsing during the test and breaking the seal.
Ideally I guess it wants another piece of stiff pipe up the inside but this is a bit of a pain...especially as I sikaflexed the airbox top back on!
How much does it compress during testing?
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it just sucks itself together more than anything its only the top intercooler hose that sucks in, but you if running a 300 with EGT it wont effect as its only 2 bits of rubber then a metal pipe
dan
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nice work guys!!
i done it on my old SJ!!
(http://members.mud-club.com/galleryimages/511fa247ad230b2951ce2af26ada3e00.JPG)
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half way through now but iv only used the 135 joint so the up pipe sits well close to the window beam, would put pics up but my pc is playin up :-( cuttin the wing tonite hehe
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Dunno if you guys are aware of this, but...
Turn on the kitchen cold tap and light the gas stove.
Take piece of plastic pipe as above, and slowly rotate it over gas hob. NOT TOO CLOSE U DUMMY!
As it warms up, it gets a bit stretchy and bendy. As soon as it does, put a slight curve into it, and run it under the tap(you did leave the tap running yes?)
This instantly sets it, and suddenly you have a way of bending the drainpipe to get a 'snugger' finish. Bit by bit is the best policy. Oh yeah, practise on a scrap bit first :wink:
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Did mine today- needs a few refinements and the airbox sealing properly but otherwise its all good!!!
Will take piccys at some point!
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Yes it works. Went through a local ford thinking it was quite deep......was really quite deep, sort of just over the bonnet whilst driving through.......
Very scary moment
Chris
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Yes it works. Went through a local ford thinking it was quite deep......was really quite deep, sort of just over the bonnet whilst driving through.......
Very scary moment
Chris
I take it the snorkel worked then as no swearing in that post =D> thinking I'll be going up B&Q today to join Club B&Q :lol:
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Never trust plastic pipe where it can take a knock. It's just as easy to make a snorkle with steel tube, and it will last a hell of a lot longer than anything from B&Q and talke a knock better than event the expensive plastic ones.
Looks neater too, no lumps sticking out of the side of the wing to catch on trees or gate posts. Looks neater as well.
Pete.
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Pete that is the same as mine but I left the steel pipe longer and just put a 90 degree bend on the end through the inner wing and onto the air box .
Ebay from the USA $4.95 +$4-95 shipping =£4-95 demon tweeks wanted £27 :shock: and it included stainless jubilee clips
then I sprayed it with two coats of spray putty and three of satin black it now matches the mushroom top.
I used a piece of black fuel pipe split with a sharp blade to trim the cutout in the wing looks neat :D
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Well done to all you b&q snorkel-ers, they all look pretty good. Its great what you can achieve with a bit of research and patience. However if anyone does cut their wing in the wrong place I have a n/s and an o/s front wing for a discovery 200 or 300 in good condition if any one would need them. (They are grey in colour).
Thanks
Hippo
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ive managed to relocate it 30 minute job putting a snorkel on is a 3 hour job i recon from start to finish
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Hello everyone, just thought i'd sign up after making my downpipe snorkel today, after seeing this post.
few pics
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/stewy1984/snorky.jpg)
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sucks like a goodun (even if it is only sealed with tape as the min lol)
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Guys anyone got any ideas for how to fix the pipe at the air box on a 300 tdi with ABS?
I've got a defender snorkel kit which I'm going to butcher/adapt to fit my disco, using some flexi air hose etc, I'm fine down the wing and all that, but I'm struggling with the air box as I dont want to move it so I can still fit a second battery in front of it in a few weeks once I have my second alternator fitted, so any ideas or preferably pictures of how you've done it to yours?
I like the idea of heating and re-setting drain pipe mentioned earlier and I may use that idea to 'flatten' a length so it fits between the ABS modulator and the air box, but thats gonna be a bit of a restrictor so a different idea would be best..........
Cheers guys........
Bri
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Top topic Stuntman, and well done on your snorkel :clap:
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would it work if i relocated my airbox/filter to the roof bars? my way of thinking is it reduces the amount of joins under the bonnet = less chance of water getting in :-k
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Well, mines done - its not so much DIY though as I managed to a steel pipe and top from a Mantec kit second hand and used that - the rest is all me though - a bit of hole sawing and jig-sawing on the air box and its all fitted nicely and stalls on demand so all good - which looking at the weather, is just as well eh?!
Pics to follow to show how I got from the pipe to the air-box just as soon as I can find a PC that will talk to my phone.....
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this is one i did.
the top has since been lowered.
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this is my air intake