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Vehicle & Technical => Range Rover => Topic started by: Brian the Sn@il on November 19, 2007, 11:46:29
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The roads around here are all cambered,
The problem i have is the wallowing sway, side to side.
Once it starts to sway to the left i correct to the right, then it sways to the left, i correct it to the right.
With a bit of concentration i get it to stop.
This all happens at about 45 50 mph
Even after all new Britparts Springs, shocks, tyres, plus a 2 inch lift
Its Exactly the same as it was before all the mods.
SO where else can i look to sort this out ?
Brian
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Mine is ok and I have lift springs??
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Have you checked your track rod ends, drop arm ball joint and suspension bushes (Panhard Rod, Hockey sticks & trailing arms)?
Skibum
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Have you checked your track rod ends, drop arm ball joint and suspension bushes (Panhard Rod, Hockey sticks & trailing arms)?
Skibum
No, but its just passed a MOT ?
Maybe all are Slightly worn making one big problem ?
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:shock: Hmmm....
As you've identified the MOT should have picked up on anything worn... whether sumulative error could be the problem I don't know. It's worth getting someone who knows RRC inside out to have a drive and see what they think. Might be your expectations that need re-calibration rather than the vehicle. :roll:
My daily drive is a Disco with +2" springs... since the lift.. I've had to learn the different feel when cornering... When I turn in there is a fast dip, almost like the springs are taking up the slack before resisting. First time I experienced it I thought I was going over, but I've pushed pretty hard and realised it's fine... SWMBO doesn't agree mind you!!! :lol: :lol:
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mmm maybe, im used to the Navara.
But surely its possible to keep the RR on the right side of the road ?
I find myself doing about 45 mph and it sways left / right so much its a bit of a battle to keep it from wandering over the line
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I think you need an experiences RRC hand to drive it and maybe you drive a known good one... see what's what...
As you say, youy shouldn't have too much problem maintaining line.
Good luck.
Skibum
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After yesterday laning, mine has developed similar symptoms :? Have broke something :shock:
Lose bottle at 50 and it gets scary :x Previously 80 was not a problem 8)
Will have a look in the week and see what damage I have done :wink:
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Very Interesting,
Im sure we would have found anything broken while changing the springs and shocks.
We didnt check the Rear A frame thing above the rear axel though
After yesterday laning, mine has developed similar symptoms :? Have broke something :shock:
Lose bottle at 50 and it gets scary :x Previously 80 was not a problem 8)
Will have a look in the week and see what damage I have done :wink:
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A friend of mine who has driven RR’s for many years had his tracking done by a garage with one of the mirror/laser/optical thingimy jobbies. He said it is the best he has had a RR perform! Since then he has told quite a few people about it and the garage has had a fair trade!
I don’t know if it’s just that this particular garage know what they are doing with RR’s or if it’s just a good system in general, but I think its only 20 quid or so anyway so it’s not a massive outlay.
I have not had it done myself so I can’t vouch for it, but if you are going to get it done try and have on your tyres/wheels that you normally have on as I think they take a lot into account.
Regards
Mick
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my rangie off roader says alot and drop arm gone and track rod and panhard rod bushes and radius arm bushes all have wear so its all that together but a cheap fix really
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check the drop arm on the steering box, as when mine did what you described, my man found it was nearly off!
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OK going to Check them in the morning and then a Wheel allignment check at a friendly place i know..
Ill keep everyone informed in what i find :)
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These things are capable of 100MPH plus, so the kind of handling you describe is not at all satisfactory. None of mine handly that badly but I'd agree that tracking makes a massive difference. Also you might find if the bushes are old in the suspension that new springs and shocks can make things worse not better.
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After yesterday laning, mine has developed similar symptoms :? Have broke something :shock:
Lose bottle at 50 and it gets scary :x Previously 80 was not a problem 8)
Will have a look in the week and see what damage I have done :wink:
Crikey, didn't mamge more than 30 going home, it started snowing.
Anyhoo, what do you think you did, catch that rock 'our mate' was sat on for 10 minutes?
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After yesterday laning, mine has developed similar symptoms :? Have broke something :shock:
Lose bottle at 50 and it gets scary :x Previously 80 was not a problem 8)
Will have a look in the week and see what damage I have done :wink:
Crikey, didn't mamge more than 30 going home, it started snowing.
Anyhoo, what do you think you did, catch that rock 'our mate' was sat on for 10 minutes?
Possibly 'that rock' but think I have some unwanted travel on the rear axle/drivers side wheel.
When I say 'lost bottle' I didnt go over 40 after that :roll: came back on the A6 which I know very well and the snow was yet to settle. But saying that went to fetch 'little fella' in car and saw a car rolled over 3 times into a hedge near the golf course on the A610 :shock:
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my '86 wobbles and wallows all over the place even on new HD springs and shocks...
my '92 has standard fronts and HD rear springs coupled with anti roll bars at both ends and it feels completely planted on the road.
...and my offroader used to feel solid but doesn't now...i guess the springs have gone all soft through heavy use!
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What are your tyres like?
How old are they?
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What are your tyres like?
How old are they?
they are New Mud Terrains, but handling was exactly the same before the new tyres were fitted
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Well, finally got to look at mine :roll:
The trailing arm nylok nut has worked loose and allowing it to move in the bush :cry:
Will re torque and new nylok I think :idea:
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Jon borrowed it over the weekend to see how bad it was.
He said he nearly ended up in the hedge its so bad !
Anything over 50mph is a suicide mission.
We are going to have another look at things today.
Theres no Play in the steering system, everything feels solid.
Its a wallowing from the rear end, when the cambre of the road changes the arse sways into the cambre, of the road thus having to correct it via the steering.
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Sounds like you have a bush on one of the trailing links that's toast then. Possibly the A frame but more likey the lower links.
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RRB we have had another look at the bushes and they all seem OK :(
so...
Ive booked her in at Autotest in Norwich at 8.00 Tomorrow morning.
They are going to give her the once over and carry out a 3D wheel alignment check as well.
Ill post up what we find tomorrow, i do hope we can find the problem.
I was planning to go to Bures on Sunday :)
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It could be a seized viscous coupling....?
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Get someone to watch the truck whilst you set off in 1st and reverse, see if any of the wheels are moving relative to the wheelarch. If the steering is wandering from the back then unless your wheels are loose the whole axle must be shifting.
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1st up, it was on the ramp, checking all joints for play, steering for play etc etc.
No play anywhere, all Bushes were fine.
No wheels loose
and no sign of a cut n shut.
So next up.
Well we had 3 skilled mechanics take it for a drive, all of them commenting on the rear end sway.
The only thing noted was the rear diff clunking.
Put it in Drive with the brakes on and then keeping the brakes on putting it in reverse, theres a big clunk.
Thats it.
THey did comment on the Lift kit and the Shocks, but i explained it was exatly the same wallowing effect before the lift kit and new shocks.
They reccommened to take it to JSF ( the local land rover specialists )
to see if they could take it for a drive to see if they have come accross this problem before.
So next update soon........
I do think someone must have guessed the Fault on this thread, theres so much great input from everyone :)
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It could be a seized viscous coupling....?
This shouldn't make a difference in a straight line unless your tyres are different sizes, but it's one of the things you now need to check.
Disconnect a propshaft and drive it 2WD, carefully :wink:
You'll probably find the steering different in RWD, but it might be worth trying it both ways and see what happens.
Also an easy check, jack up the front wheel with the handbrake on and the car in neutral.
Put a wheel brace on, slowly try to remove a wheel nut, if the nut turns try to retighten it. Once the backlash is taken up you should only be able to turn the whole wheel really slowly, but it should turn. If it doesn't the viscous unit may be goosed.
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I recently had a seized viscous coupling on my 1991, ZF Auto 3.9 V8. I did not get any wallowing! My steering MAY be a little loose but not an MOT fail. It has not changed since I replaced the coupling.
The things to look for with a seized coupling are:
Look at your front tyres. The side walls were scraped as when I was turning tightly the wheels crabbed (I think they call it crabbing anyway!). You could tell that the vehicle wanted to go straight on and you could hear the tyres scraping (especially on gravel).
I have a CV joint that needs replacing and I think this can be caused due to the viscous being seized!
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Haven't had a chance to take it it JSF yet :(
But have noticed this.
Parked up with the Brakes on.
Put it in Drive.
Then in Reverse, the near side of the Car lowers.
Put it in Drive and then the near side of the car raises
Now take the brakes off and just leave the handbrake on.
It doesn't go up or down on the nearside ?
Very strange :(
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They all do that, it's the torque in the prpshafts and as both props turn the same way they effect is doubled.
The handbrake is on the back of the gearbox, which is why it doesn't do it then.
How much does it lift though :?
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lifts about a inch.
Jut got back From Bures Today.
Great day out, :) didnt get stuck at all :)
After driving on the main roads for 4.5 hrs today i have noted that when power is down it drives fine. As soon as you lift off, the car wanders to the middle of the road and you have to correct it, which starts it swaying.
Keep your foot on the throttle and accelerate and its fine.
Coast along or just slight power it wallows about.
I think ill try disconecting the front drive shaft this week to see what happens.
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Annoyingly that's almost classic symptoms of a worn trailing link bush. Passenger's side at a guess.
BTW, an inch is fine, no more than I'd expect.
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Annoyingly that's almost classic symptoms of a worn trailing link bush. Passenger's side at a guess.
BTW, an inch is fine, no more than I'd expect.
OK looking at this, this week ;)
Im out to get this one sorted, so will be keeping everyone posted at the outcome ;)
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Hmmm.... new tyres on the back recently and I am having the exact same problem..... quite scary passing lorries on the motorway tbh.....
Will be looking into it over the next couple of days, will post findings myself as well ;)
Lower tyre pressures did helpa smudge, but still not happy :(
Bowie.
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LR did recomend fitting 4 tyres at once, though on the LSE I've got away with fitting part-worn. Try swaping front to back Bowie.
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Was on my list of things to do tbh :)
Fronts are probably at 60% tread, but for BFG M/T I guess that's quite a bit ;)