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V8MoneyPit:
--- Quote from: Beerangel on August 16, 2011, 09:37:57 ---... more like its the riders fault for not getting the horse used to noise first etc etc drives me potty i could rant for days
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If I'm understanding you correctly, your argument is based on lack of experience for using the road. That applies to every single car driver, moped rider, etc., while they are learning to drive and, quite frankly, for many years after they've passed their test! Unless a system can be devised to train every road user up to a much higher level than currently, there will always be inexperienced users. Since this is impractical, it is our responsibility, as more experienced users, to make due allowance for the less experienced. That includes horses. Just my view.
As for using roads rather than fields, we often hear people on here arguing that they have a right to drive green lanes. So they do. Perfectly reasonable in my view. The fact that other users of the green lanes don't like them being there doesn't, and shouldn't, stop them. If horse riders trespassed on the fields, are they not doing what we fight against with the unruly 4x4 element who trash the lanes and drive 'off piste'?
Saffy:
--- Quote from: V8MoneyPit on August 16, 2011, 10:46:12 ---
If I'm understanding you correctly, your argument is based on lack of experience for using the road. That applies to every single car driver, moped rider, etc., while they are learning to drive and, quite frankly, for many years after they've passed their test! Unless a system can be devised to train every road user up to a much higher level than currently, there will always be inexperienced users. Since this is impractical, it is our responsibility, as more experienced users, to make due allowance for the less experienced. That includes horses. Just my view.
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But there are requirements in law for riders/drivers of motor vehicles to have past some sort of competency to allow them to use said vehicle on a public road and be in the care of someone that has whilst learning. Laws that require at least 3rd party insurances of those vehicles. Strict penalties in terms of sentencing, fines and other forms of penalisation if found guilty of not abiding to those laws. I know of no such legal requirements for horse riders on roads, I presume some do carry insurance but not legally obliged.
I have not come across that many badly ridden horses on the roads, nothing in recent memory anyway. I do encounter horses frequently around here on country lanes. I also have a irrational fear of the beasts so they naturally freak me F out when having to crawl slowly past them, I just wish they where not there...... a young filly in Jodhpurs on the other hand is quite pleasing to the eye :kiss:
Beerangel:
--- Quote from: Saffy on August 16, 2011, 16:05:12 ---
--- Quote from: V8MoneyPit on August 16, 2011, 10:46:12 ---
If I'm understanding you correctly, your argument is based on lack of experience for using the road. That applies to every single car driver, moped rider, etc., while they are learning to drive and, quite frankly, for many years after they've passed their test! Unless a system can be devised to train every road user up to a much higher level than currently, there will always be inexperienced users. Since this is impractical, it is our responsibility, as more experienced users, to make due allowance for the less experienced. That includes horses. Just my view.
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But there are requirements in law for riders/drivers of motor vehicles to have past some sort of competency to allow them to use said vehicle on a public road and be in the care of someone that has whilst learning. Laws that require at least 3rd party insurances of those vehicles. Strict penalties in terms of sentencing, fines and other forms of penalisation if found guilty of not abiding to those laws. I know of no such legal requirements for horse riders on roads, I presume some do carry insurance but not legally obliged.
I have not come across that many badly ridden horses on the roads, nothing in recent memory anyway. I do encounter horses frequently around here on country lanes. I also have a irrational fear of the beasts so they naturally freak me F out when having to crawl slowly past them, I just wish they where not there...... a young filly in Jodhpurs on the other hand is quite pleasing to the eye :kiss:
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I think scrub that... I know that i agree with absolutely the entire of that... Especially the Jodhpurs... and the insurance... and the irrational fear of stupidly strong 'Flight' animals... so yes all of it!
YT:
--- Quote from: sv130 on August 15, 2011, 21:01:35 --- "Tax mobility scooters,"
What a splendid idea, they are often a pain in the a$%^ in and out of traffic in our high street, and always parked up outside the pub.
Trouble is they would just invent a disabled tax disc system so they dont pay a penny,,,
Oh hang on,,,they already have that in place don,t they for the cars they let the family use.
Gaz :evil:
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If a disabled scooter is to be used on the road, it's ADVISED that the owner should contact DVLA and have a disabled tax disc issued. This is only suggested, not compulsory. They also don't NEED insurance, there is no test required either, so no regulation whatsoever. Anyone using a 'free disabled tax disc should only be using the taxed vehicle to carry the person entitled to the disc, or running erands for said person. The same conditions apply to blue badges. Misuse of a blue badge carries a
Axetamer:
--- Quote --- a young filly in Jodhpurs on the other hand is quite pleasing to the eye
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quite right too :grin:
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