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Family of 6 rescued from Houndkirk Moor

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dxmedia:

--- Quote from: rollazuki on January 14, 2010, 08:50:54 ---Surely the main aim of mountain rescue is to recover people/climbers/ramblers who have got into difficulty.....?
In this case, a family stuck out in the snow would be the same as a climber who  has had a fall.....(climbers fault, no-one forced hime to climb)

If they were unaware how close the pub was, or if the kids were getting too cold, why would you not call for help?

To us they look like dumbasses, they probably didnt realise the severity of the situation.
To me a hiker stuck out in the peak needing rescue is also a dumbass(should have gone in a 4x4) but to the hiking fraternity, hes isnt.

at least they were trying to get some 4x4 fun.


PS, I did houndskirk moor the other night in my Jimny(wasnt really tough at all) LOL.

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Cat get's stuck up a tree - do you call the firebrigade?  To the owner of the cat it's a life and death thing. To onlookers it's a waste of the services time.


Boils down to that thing of dont go laning alone. He'd driven (by the sounds of it) from ringinglow, it's only a mile or so away. He and his family could have walked back. You know the area you know it's not far.

TBH other than pride, there's nothing to be lost leaving a truck on the lane, staying over night in either pub at both end's of the lane (I can recommend staying in the norfolk arms ;) ) and trying again the next day.


A climber falling, a walker twisting their ankle, they are very valid reasons to call on the mountain rescue. Because you cant be arsed walking for 30 minutes (maximum) because it's a little cold, that's taking the [throw it].


Oh which day did you do houndkirk on and it wasn't that tough?  Can't have been the same day I was pulling people out from the fox house end due to the drifts being a couple of feet deep, since there were no tracks through the snow ;)

Disco Matt:
I always wonder if some of these cases are due to people simply having no idea of what to do if they go out of their normal world. Example, a recent case involving someone falling in a waterfall as a result of quite probably being drunk and stoned saw witnesses saying things along the lines of "the ground was uneven and there were no warning signs"

Well of course not you twit, it's a waterfall! Generally most people have the sense to stay away from the edge!

For whatever reason we seem to have ended up in a state where large numbers of people simply can't cope with anything beyond their daily commute. They lack the knowledge (not necessarily experience, if you've learned the theory and put it to use you'll probably be ok) to deal with a situation where there is no chance of somebody arriving to pick them up and send them on their way, and where their actions can have fatal consequences if they make the wrong choice. In this case, what's the betting that they had never been stuck before and hadn't much of an idea of the limitations of their vehicle? No 4x4 is infallible and a frozen snow-covered moor isn't the place to find the limits, least of all if you lack a backup vehicle.

V8MoneyPit:
I can't comment specifically on this case because I don't know the circumstances beyond what I've read. But it does sound like they were ill prepared for the conditions. With basic kit, they might have been able to extract themselves.

When my son and I drove to Scotland after Christmas, we drove over the Yorkshire Dales. The first road we tried to get over to Swaledale was getting to around 12" of virgin snow. We stopped and talked with some walkers who told us it was deeper ahead so we turned round and found an alternative route. Had we been with a second vehicle we might have tried to go further. But..... we had sleeping bags, warm clothing, a shovel, a stove to make hot drinks, chocolate as high energy food (OK, I carry chocolate everywhere  :lol:) and extra fuel. Even if we had become stuck, we were prepared to extract ourselves or keep ourselves safe.

Many people under estimate the British weather and they would probably have laughed at what we were carrying. But I'd rather be laughed at and alive than stuck and cold on a moor somewhere.

denviks:
i always carry the right gear for the weather.or try to....

but correct me if i am wrong............isnt the official advice if you get stuck in bad cold weather to stay with your vehicle if at all possible and call the emergency services?

i thought that was always the advice given?

dxmedia:

--- Quote from: denviks on January 14, 2010, 18:07:45 ---i always carry the right gear for the weather.or try to....

but correct me if i am wrong............isnt the official advice if you get stuck in bad cold weather to stay with your vehicle if at all possible and call the emergency services?

i thought that was always the advice given?



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Very sound advice. Don't underestimate how close these people were to civilization though.

This is the lane in question. To the west the building is a very large and well lit pub, to the east, just north of the wood is the other pub in question. About 2 miles down the road is Sheffield.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=ringinglow&sll=53.335768,-1.576538&sspn=0.013992,0.038581&ie=UTF8&radius=0.8&rq=1&ev=p&hq=ringinglow&hnear=&ll=53.337228,-1.579242&spn=0.013991,0.038581&t=h&z=15

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