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Which 4x4 for a Newb?

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william127:
the big problem with jap motors is the cost and avalibility of the parts- a mate of mine has had no end of trouble trying to get track rods for his izuzu trooper. the only place he could get them new was izuzu who would only sell them with ends so it cost £250 a pair :shock:. he then tryed getting second hand ones and had to get 3 pairs before he got a working set.
i had similar trouble with my hilux, sj and an izuzu engine in my rangie.
compare this to my land rovers, i got a set of heavy duty rods and ends for £100 and theres a hell of a lot more steel in themm than there is in a trooper rod. and if a part goes there are 4 specailists within 10 miles of me :clap:

wadsy:

--- Quote from: Range Rover Blues on December 24, 2009, 04:24:20 ---If a Disco won't fit, I assume it's too tall? try a RRC instead.  Late model ones have EAS so you can drop it even lower, they are one of the best LR in showroom condition, ABS/TC, EAS, Viscous centre diff and of course can take all the same mods as and when funds allow.
Late hard dash had the 200TDi, sifties had the 300TDi, older ones (badged TurboDiesel) had the VM, not a bad engine until it goes wrong but a bit unrefined.
If it's got to be cheap to run then why not a smaller 4x4, like a 'Zuk?
Bitsamissin' do make good 4x4 and I'd often impressed by them, but at the end of the day they have their limits and it's harder to overcome things like ground clearance and articulation than with a LR.

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Yes, too tall and long, the porch is about 14 and a half feet long and 75" high, would a RRC (Range Rover Classic?? - I had to look that up :oops:) fit.  I suppose the 'zuk is a possibility, but I'd prefer as big as the porch would allow.

Some good points about parts and specialists, but I think my storage space may well be the limiting factor.  I hadn't considered the Frontera, but, if it's up to it then worth a look.

Thanks again for all posts

Manicminer:
It's a 4X4 not a pampered car, just park it on the lawn, or the flower bed  ;) :lol:

Suvvey:

--- Quote from: william127 on December 24, 2009, 09:42:56 ---the big problem with jap motors is the cost and avalibility of the parts
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I think this is a popular misconception. I owned a Pajero for 4 years before the Defender and never had any trouble getting service parts for it and reasonably priced. Offroad mods are slightly harder to find and much more expensive than the Landy equivelant but to be honest you don't need anything more than all terrain tyres if you are only planning on doing 'light' laning.
They do have less front end articulation due to the wishbone suspension rather than a live axle but they either have a limited slip or lockable diff at the rear which seems to offset this restriction.
£2000 will buy you a lot of paj for your money and seeing as they are imports they rarely suffer from rust. I think you'd struggle to find an equivelant Disco that wasn't full of tin worm.
BUT fuel economy is their downside. Especially (I found) the auto's. Best I could get from my LWB 2.5 auto was 32mpg on a run but was only getting 19mpg on average with daily use :shock: And my 110 200tdi is now returning 30mpg or better doing the same work :shock:
If you do go for a paj get the 2.8 as the 2.5 is underpowered (especially in auto) and 2.8 is a completely different beast. Also they use a timing chain rather than belt which saves on service costs and gives a lot of peace of mind as there are a lot of cheap belt tensioners about that have been known to let go :evil: Yes they do suffer from a problem with the diesel pump but the seals themselves cost no more than a few quid it's just a case of having someone who will do the work without ripping you off (join a good owners club and it will probably cost you no more than a cuppa and some bacon butties ;)) one more thing to look for is that there is pressure in the coolant hoses when up to temp as I found the rad cap had a tendancy to ever give up or make a bad seal far too often.
I can't comment on other Jap motors as I've never had one but if your looking for a truck that handles like a car onroad, that is extremely comfortable, well equipped inside but will not let you down when you leave the road then A paj to me ticks all those boxes.

dxmedia:
I've never owned a 4x4 with parts as cheap as troopers  :roll:


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