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V8MoneyPit:
I've always liked the look of the Hyundai Tucson, but I don't know where it falls in the tax ratings.... or how it fares in reliabilty terms.

Disco Matt:
But equally you get things like the Kia Ceed, which has proved to be very reliable but is also reasonably priced. If it wasn't for badge snobbery Audi and VW would have a real headache on their hands from Korea. Can you see them offering the long warranty that Kia do? If their cars are as wonderful as they claim, surely they'd feel safe to offer a similar length warranty on them?  :twisted:

"German Build Quality" is meaningless these days, it's just an excuse for charging more.

V8MoneyPit:

--- Quote from: Disco Matt on November 24, 2009, 14:40:12 ---"German Build Quality" is meaningless these days, it's just an excuse for charging more.

--- End quote ---

I have to agree. I've got an 18 year old MB 190E and it's still going strong. I can't really imagine many current MB models being around in 18 years.

carbore:
Hello, you have my sympathy as I understand your issue.

The problem is that the taxation clobbers those that NEED larger or 4x4 cars (A large 4x4 will always be less economical/make more C02 in comparison to smaller 2wd cars of the same age)
Unfortunately those who NEED them are caught up with what are reasonable desires/concern, whipped up into frenzy due to the fact that 4x4 were very trendy and bought by those who diddnt "need" them.
The fact that the media widley reported a "tax on 4x4's" shows the level of ignorance and misdirection on this issue, especially when people with minibuses/estate cars got hammered after being a bit smug (ha ha).

As far as I am concerned this is a classic case of "town politics" how often do you see people on TV say "No one needs a 4x4" or "They never see a muddy hill" etc. Well I drive my Freelander off road EVERY DAY, I live done 200M of green lane thats currently rutted up and 3 inches deep in rain water. Thats excluding my towing and driving round my fields issues.

I sort of feel the same about knife crime. Now, if I put my coat on and find I forgot to take my locking penkife out of the pocket Im a criminal, thanks to what happens in London.

Unfortunatley none of this really helps you. You could look at how much it costs to hire a 4x4 for the big trips?
I agree that the Kia Ceed is a danm fine car
How about 4x4 "cars" like outlander, volvo cross, etc? or quashqui

I agree you want a 3yrs old car as finding a decent old car is hassle, unfortunately I think that <3yrs + 4x4 + 7 seats = £££££££tax!!!!! and there is no alternative?

muddyjames:
When you say decent 4x4 abilities. How off road are you going to be going or is it just in muddy fields and on snow and ice etc? Thought about a pickup? My ranger on a 56 plate costs £125 a year to tax and commercial tax doesnt seem to go up as fast as car tax, 4x4 abilities I have tried with it so far are good, returns 28mpg average, 156bhp, 3 tonne towing limit (largest of all the pickup crew cabs about). Ok I got stung on insurance because I am still "young" (27 years old  :roll: ) but mot is still classed as group 4 so cheap. Loads of room in the boot for kids buggies etc as well.

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