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arrested for a fishingknife
Lord Shagg-Pyle:
trying to play devil's advocate on this.
The Offensive Weapon laws have been around for ages and cover a lot more than just knives. The act actually names certain weapons, for instance flick knives, gravity knives, bear claws etc etc.
Most murders and assaults involving knives in the UK are carried out using kitchen knives. Can those be banned?
As I mentioned in an earlier post, if there are a large number of instances of knife attacks in a certain area, then extra stop/search powers are used. But it can be a case of 'caught between the devil and the deep blue sea'. It is said that 'excessive use' of stop/search powers was one of the causes of the riots in the early 80's in Brixton.
I have lifted people before when they have had a baseball bat in the car. The excuse was they had just finished a game of baseball. Interesting. How many people in the UK actually play baseball to have organised a game, at 2.00am etc etc.
Where I used to work up East, there was a county wide ban on any glass drinks containers in public places. Lots of moans to begin with especially from those who feared that the Police would be pouncing on a couple who were have a glass of wine in a park while having a picnic. Funnily enough, that didn't happen.
The amount of assaults where people were bottled or glassed dropped considerably.
For some reason that doesn't seem to be in place down here, which surprises me.
If I find someone with a knife, the very least that will happen is that they get a grilling as to why they have it, with possible seizure of the weapon.
If it is obvious to me that they have it for no good reason, they are getting a one way blue light taxi ride.
Discretion and common sense is the name of the game.
lee celtic:
--- Quote ---Discretion and common sense is the name of the game.
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However just out of interest (and not having a go in anyway at anyone ) don't most of these rules cover the carrying of the knife in a public place ??
I have always thought of my car as a private place . only I have a key and only I drive it and only those with my permission can get in. so why can't I carry my knife in it. it's just an extention of my home...
a sealed locked steel box....with wheels. ;)
crazymac:
--- Quote from: lee celtic on April 16, 2009, 22:15:10 ---
I have always thought of my car as a private place . only I have a key and only I drive it and only those with my permission can get in. so why can't I carry my knife in it. it's just an extention of my home...
a sealed locked steel box....with wheels. ;)
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Unfortunately, there are Darwin throwbacks that will have a knife in their side pocket, then when road rage takes over their half brain cell they pull the knife and get slashing!
So the Police have to defend against that.
CaptainColourful:
--- Quote from: Lord Shagg-Pyle on April 16, 2009, 19:14:37 ---trying to play devil's advocate on this.
Most murders and assaults involving knives in the UK are carried out using kitchen knives. Can those be banned?
How many people in the UK actually play baseball to have organised a game, at 2.00am etc etc.
Police would be pouncing on a couple who were have a glass of wine in a park while having a picnic. Funnily enough, that didn't happen.
The amount of assaults where people were bottled or glassed dropped considerably.
If I find someone with a knife, the very least that will happen is that they get a grilling as to why they have it, with possible seizure of the weapon.
If it is obvious to me that they have it for no good reason, they are getting a one way blue light taxi ride.
Discretion and common sense is the name of the game.
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:clap:
The last line says it all.
I think the real problem is that a lot of coppers do not use discretion or common sense in the fear that it may come back to haunt them later. It is far easier to stick to the letter of the law than to use their own judgement and to leave the decision of whether to prosecute or not to a faceless CPO civil servant who has had no contact at all with the accused.
--- Quote from: thermidorthelobster on April 12, 2009, 19:31:03 ---You should try going through Frankfurt Airport (that's the one that's REALLY fussy about security on UK/US flights, since Lockerbie) with 5lbs of asparagus tied up in your hand baggage. You can imagine what it looks like on the x-ray machines. Fortunately, even the Germans saw the funny side.
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That's really funny :D
craig_midz:
stretchy where was this was it by ya house as i can see y u got stopped there cuz of what happened the other week outside the fordrough but i have been stopped b4 an had my car searched for drugs :O purely an excuse as i was young an drivin with 2 lads in the car searched my car an my tool box that was in the boot an found a knife that was at bottom of tool box an b4 u know it there was another 4 police cars turn up luckly i had a couple of decent coppers there an once i explained the knife was for work its in the bottom of a tool box they let me get on my way but it could of gone a whole lot different
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