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discomummy:
Hi,

i do not usually get involved in 'discussions' like this but i have to say that Chris Putt's comments are typical of the 'i dont have kids so why should i care about yours' type of people.

my children will provide your care in your old age, they will work to support you, they will work for your services - so what if you dont have kids - you will still have the benefit of mine, and as you have pointed out - you wont have to pay the £100 k it takes to bring them up PROPERLY

i suggest you save your £100k and use it to pay for yourself when you need care - this i think would be fair.

and of course - YOU never screamed in a shop when you were a child,  did you????


regards

ela

Chris Putt:
Yes, I dont have kids. I have no intention of every having any for the reasons mentioned above.

Aside from in my professional capacity where I occasionally have the misfortune to have to work with kids (and therefore have a duty of care as a professional) , I really don't care about them, they get in the way and irritate me and parents seem to have some kind of opinion that they are more deserving of special treatment- which I do not understand- its your choice to have kids and make your life more difficult- so don't inflict this on others? At the end of the day- you have chosen to create them so itss your responsibility to look after them- not mine.

It annoys me that when kids misbehave that many parents do not deal with them properly and then get arsey with me when I tell them, and their kid where to go. - A typical example of this was when some kids on the road seemed to think it was ok to play football on the street, broke a headlight on my car and dented my brothers- I told the mother to maybe take some responsibility and learn how to look after her kids, and invoiced her in due course for the work. She then decided to take issue and tell me to not tell her how to bring up her kids?!- Somebody clearly has to in this case as she was inadequate.

As regards using £100k to look after myself in old age or getting a pension etc. I intend to squeeze every penny out of the state when the time comes- I pay enough tax and NI and for some reason (although I have been paying since I started work at 16- and im now 22) was not eligable for any benefit when I couldnt work due to a broken spine.- which I feel is unfair when there are others contributing nothing to society who sponge. Ill work hard and earn my right to do the same.

crazymac:
Forgive me for jumping in here Chris, but 22??[Edited] gives you the idea that you can pontificate about other peoples kids and how they bring them up??

You're barely a kid your self! Who knows, in time you may even mature enough to bring a kid into this world and then you can spout about other peoples kids.

100K to bring a kid up is [bollards], many people will hardly EARN that in the time scale!!  Taking everything into account mine will cost me no more that 25K by the time she's 16 AND she has a good life!

Yes its been my choice to have a kid, I waited till I was 32 mind!! give it another 10 years and come back to me!! At 22 I had no intention of having kids.

SOME parents have the attitudes you describe, but that is a VERY SMALL percentage of parents, the vast majority ar responsible for their kids and bring them up the right way, otherwise it would be anarchy in the country!

If a 22 year old tried to tell me how to bring up my kid I know what i'd say!! So get off your high horse!!

The reason for the wider parent and child spaces is to allow parents access to the rear seats with doors open so they can make sure the kids are safely strapped in, its not about special dispensation, its about the practicalities of children getting in and out of cars. in tight spaces kids often cannot hold the door properly and so other cars get damaged. With the larger spaces we can avoid that. 

Chris Putt:
Yes- I do occasionally have the misfortune of working with kids- but if the money is good enough (call me a mercenary) I will grin and bear it. Its a simple economic judgement. Its not hypocritical, I just work where the money is.

And Yes. If someones kids are acting up I will tell them to wind their necks in (Generally go to their parents if I know who they are bearing in mind its their responsibility) same as if I came across a teenager, or an adult acting a fool- as far as im concerned its all the same and I don't put up with it.

And yes, at the age of 22 I do have the right to comment on parenting skills. On the occasion I have the misfortune of having to work with kids (fortunately becoming more rare as there is more money and less hassle in me doing corporate outdoor events) I have dealt with  a massive variety of kids, and their parents and have seen a massive variety in parenting skills and child behaviour.

Are you honestly going to tell me if you saw a group of kids running riot and causing damage you wouldn't try and resolve the situation? - I beg to differ if thats the case.

Commenting that Im 'barely a kid' [Edited] I have been working since I was 16 and to be fair probably have alot more life experience than the vast majority of people my age. Not going to comment on yourselves, but im sure your older and wiser than I am, and clearly have kids so you will probably find my comments offensive anyway.

And yes Muddy Henry, anyone who treats kids badly should not be allowed to have them.

My issue with the spaces is exactly that. You say its the practicality- if they didn't have kids there would be no issue- hence it is self inflicted, so why should they get special privileges?-

If I chose to have a dog- would I get a special space to take my dog out- might be a feisty animal and push a door open?

How about If I intend on taking my boat or my bike out- do I get a special wide bay for loading and unloading- thats inconvenient sometimes and it would be practical?

Don't take them shopping? Parking problem solved and it means others don't have to put up with them.

And no, there is no way I would ever have kids, ecologically there is no worse thing for the planet and I would never inflict that on others, I don't enjoy listening to their kids whinging and I wouldn't expect anyone to have to put up with mine Economically- I have better things to spend my hard earned on and as regards did I ever scream when I was a kid, yes most probably, but I didn't have the choice of whether to be concieved by my parents or not- It was pretty well out of my hands I think you will agree.

Discopoo:
I am 46, have been working since I was 16 but would still not have the audacity to tell some one how to deal with their children in public. If some one did it to me I would tell them where to go, you have no idea about the circumstances of individuals.
If you saw me and my child (who is 8) in a supermarket and he was misbehaving, in your eyes you have the right at 22 to tell me off. Would you do the same if you knew he had behavioral problems, or do you still think it's "easy" to control children in all situations.
I have worked with children in the past, with all ranges of disability's and social backgrounds and it sounds to me as if you need a hug as you are behaving like a petulant child with the comments you make.

One final comment, you can flame me if you want, I do not usually get drawn into these arguments but you have amused me with your ignorance of the reality's of life

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