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thermidorthelobster:
Some guy I went to school with recently posted on Facebook photos of himself and some friends driving private roads on Dartmoor (without permission) - churning up the mud, getting stuck, generally acting like gimps.

When I objected they basically told me to stuff it.  Whilst I don't really care if they're doing anything illegal, what they ARE doing is giving an impression to all and sundry that 4x4 drivers like to tear around the countryside doing damage.  Just like Clarkson et al did in the "green laning" feature in Top Gear.  And then we wonder why all the lanes are being shut down.

I've not even watched the video above so I'm making no comments at all on its content.  But I would make the general point that there is a difference between what's legal / illegal and what's right and what harms our cause.

Fourby:

--- Quote from: Eeyore on February 20, 2009, 08:02:35 ---I'll stand by Pux and I stand by what I say also. As a former chairman of the Green Lane Association (note: 'former'), I come from a point of some experience and passion. I carry no real authority, but I want to point out how much I care about these issues.

There are a number of glaring holes I can pick in the arguements presented but that's not what I want to focus on. A clear issue has been raised and the folk concerned now have a golden oppotunity to come forward and say 'you're right, what we did wasn't the best, therefore we can do things differently'. The biggest pity is some of the vids in the collection are exemplory, it's just that some sadly, are not. The collection of posted vids affect us all - some do it in a positive way, others don't.

You know, in this world folk are permitted to make honest mistakes, for the occasional thing not to go right - honest ignorance is not a crime. The mark of the person is in how they handle that event subsequently.

So I'll ask person to person - please can you have a think about how you act and what you do when laning - and what you post on the world wide web after the event. It'll ensure that Joe Public doens't associate the kind of behaviours some of the vids show to either the Club, or to laners as a whole.

As an aside, as Mud-Club members, we've all agreed to abide by the Clubs rules and Greenlaning Code of Conduct. We've all read the small print and ticked the box.  ;)

--- End quote ---

How can you ask Person to Person, when you are a Cartoon Donkey and I am a Cartoon Sheep, and we have never even met??

If you want to speak to me person to person, you will find me at John's in the morning, working on 'Clover' with him and a whole bunch of these guys, doing what clubs do, lending a helping hand and respecting each other in the real world, not flaming them in a virtual world.

If you all claim to be active members of this club,  then be active and be a club, and I will see you all in the morning for coffee while we work on 'Clover'

Jas278:
Just because they have Mud Club stickers on , it does nt mean it was a Mud Club outing , I have stickers but it does nt mean I have to speak to all involved to see about how I go about my business...Why we have divisions within caused out of what I don't know others will look and tut ..why cant we stick together , was there any need to start this thread ?  AND I'm sure the ones doing the damming are little treasures .....GOD help you when it s you're turn for the spotlight, NO I was not one of this group. Eyeore....look  I know your hearts in the right place  but come on I ve heard tails of you being rude to folk whilst out lanning ,  ...  lets not go there a , you as a mod..... having seen posts like this before should have seen where it was heading and for the good of all should have pulled...AS for the rest ...STONES AND GLASS houses spring to mind.. :lol:

Eeyore:
Um, I have no idea who Clover is, I'm afraid. I know a million and one folk with Discos.

For info, I have a life, thanks, and I'll not be suspending anyone from the Club, mainly because it isn't my decision. Lucky for some!  ;)

The problem I have is that a point gets raised involving lanes and peoples use of them. I respond. The 'accused' or 'guilty' get terribely upset and start shouting and cursing and blaming everyone else. The rant above helps no one, especially the rantee. As a warning however, I'd say watch your language, as open abuse of moderators is usually treated seriosuly by the Administrators.

Seeing as someone asked the question, I used to tear through fords and puddles and lane in big groups and think I was having a hoot. But, I learnt and I changed - for myself, and for the future of laning. There are enviroments for hooning about, and lanes weren't it.

Now, if you read my responses to this, you'll see I'm offering those involved an oppotunity for education (not condemnnation) and I feel that this is more than fair.

The Clubs standing on the use of lanes is pretty open. We've all agreed to support that Code of Conduct too. It's got nothing to do with GLASS membership, or CRAG  because neither the Club, or myself are members of either. It's got to do with caring about what we do and how we're percieved.

And yes, I'm very much aware there are two sides to every story. But is anyone else?

This discussion, at the moment, appears to have reached a natural conclusion, and as a consequence I'm going to lock this thread now. However, I'll be happy to reopen it if all concerned feel they can better voice their views.

Cheers

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