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My old Series 1 engine is getting tired.
Les Henson:
Mot inspection on a S1 of that age will be very limited. Emissions will be 'sight only', so unless it's belching out smoke it will pass.
Les.
S188:
--- Quote from: Chris Putt on January 06, 2009, 14:35:36 ---In response to it being 'revvy' I would say that in character its fairly similar to a series 1 petrol, only more powerful and torquey.
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Thats funny, all the 2.0 IOE petrols I've driven (and I own one) pull quite strongly from very low revs (I'm not saying it goes like a TDI but right at the bottem its probubly better than a 2.25p, though that aswell it ultimately more powerful once it gets going (can't really match the fuel economy though!)), they develop peak torque well below 2k rpm so a good one is very happy at low speeds. No point reving them, they aren't built for it. Its a very old long stroke small bore design, not oversquare.
As said to fail MOT you'll need to be produicing clouds of blue smoke. Your more likely to call it a day for the engine if your fed up with the oil consumption or diminishing power, though tipical rover engines they tend to get less and less powerful rather than break.
auf_wiedersehen_pet:
--- Quote from: S188 on January 16, 2009, 19:29:57 ---
--- Quote from: Chris Putt on January 06, 2009, 14:35:36 ---As said to fail MOT you'll need to be produicing clouds of blue smoke. Your more likely to call it a day for the engine if your fed up with the oil consumption or diminishing power, though tipical rover engines they tend to get less and less powerful rather than break.
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It kicks out a lot of black smoke on startup, runs roughly for a while then settles to no smoke.
Oil consumption - difficult to gauge as it does maybe 500 miles a year. Never needs to be topped up.
Power seems okay - again difficult to gauge as I have only ever driven one Series 1. It's a PITA to keep in tune, often pinking. Quite rattley!
You guys are going to say they are all like that aren't you! :oops: :oops: :oops:
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S188:
Blowing exhaust, air leaks around the carb, poor HT leads/plugs/points/dizzy, week fuel pump. All of them can rob power and make it run stroppy. We eventully got through all of that on ours to get it running nice. As the compression ratio is so low they tororate alot but do go nicer if you get them right, I set my ignition timeing to the book and it runs nice but I often wonder if I should try something else as the 95 octane fuel I run it on is quite alot better than it was built/designed/expected to use, guess that could extract a bit more go but I don't think its high enough CR to care really.
It does black smoke when accelerated on choke, which I think probubly is normal. Not an MOT issue of course as you should never atempt emissions enspections unless and engine is up to temp without choke, regardless of if it requires a gas analiser or not. If it doesn't get used alot that can cause a bit more soot, like any other engine. When its up to temp use the full throttle travel once in a while to blast it out - I think alot are treated too jently in their retirement, people seem to forget how tough S1's really are, they can take it!
I suspect ours is down to around 40Bhp, as unladen I've been cought up climbing hills by a fully laden 80". That vehicle had had a full engine rebuild a few years ago including a brand new camshaft so had alot less than 50 years ware on it. Mine doesn't have the full compression readings but its balanced in all pots so does for an aged engine. Thats perhaps where the "they are all a bit like that" factor comes in but they should still run nicely and smooth, no coughing/spluttering/pinking. Its game over when the exhaust valve seats go (usally through poor ajustment rather than ware) or the bores get too worn as it'll need to come out for a full rebuilt - have a chat with "Cox & turner", they still do all the parts and will hapilly chat for hours how to set them up right, he'll probubly know whats caused by poor ajustment and whats ware.
Its definately hard to guage whats good and whats not if you only drive one vehicle. When I bought my second we realised the first wasn't as good as we thought and did quite a bit to it to get them simular (luckally the second is a good bench mark). Same story with the 80 above, I got to have a go in that and it did make me feal a bit disapointed driving mine afterwards, but an exhaust gasget was blowing a bit at the time and that made a massive difference!
Chris Putt:
I don't think the 2.0l petrol in a series 1 is as powerful as the prima unit....... They don't have 80hp/114lbft torque?- bearing in mind the 2.5 petrol only has 85hp?
Having driven both, and a V8, Id have the prima. Just tweeked the one in my mates series and its excellent.
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