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mike142sl:
he didn't endanger anyone at all to my knowledge
Well perhaps he's been enlightened now.
It may seem incredible to us, but we should remember that rationalle is not always uppermost during grief, especially so soon after the event. If what we are being told by the press is complete then I suspect the answers they are after will be quick in coming.

lee celtic:
I'm sorry for their loss but if he'd been shooting at me he wouldn't have got a second shot off.

easy call for the cops, them or him , him good call

I say easy but to take a life must be a difficult thing to do but I feel more for the guy who had to pull the trigger than the guy who took the bullet...

auf_wiedersehen_pet:
Goodbye and good riddance!

Mareng:
Personally, I cant believe that the IPCC need to carry out an investigation, unless its to make sure that whichever copper it was that fired the lethal round gets the credit he deserves.

The guy had a weapon, he had fired off a few rounds proving that he was capable an willing to use it.  He had 5 HOURS to lay down his weapon and 'come quietly' but didn't.  The police would have thought long and hard about entering the premises in order to bring the stand off to an end on their terms, and not the gunmans.

As Skibum suggests, with mentioning the killing house (not that I've been there myself) on entering a room, there is a split second where you have to make a decision based on what is in front of you, basically, kill or be killed, and the officers, I imagine, are trained to shoot to kill rather than shoot to maim (as it is preferable to do on the battle field).

The officer that fired the lethal round will have to live with what happened, perhaps he will be the only person to know what really happened, he should be supported in his actions, not effectivley put on trial for them.

I would rather the police be confident in future that should the have the same situation, they can rely on the use of lethal force, rather than have the nagging doubt at the back of their head that they might be dragged over the coals.  It is that doubt that will cause them, in that split second on entering a room/putting themselves in the firing line, to pause, and not shoot first, putting their life and that life of colleagues and civilians in danger.

Skibum346:

--- Quote from: Steve110 on May 08, 2008, 22:56:33 ---Personally, I cant believe that the IPCC need to carry out an investigation, unless its to make sure that whichever copper it was that fired the lethal round gets the credit he deserves.
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It's standard practice when armed officers fire their weapons. I just wish the press would start reporting that way instead of saying it like they're investigating because something went wrong.


--- Quote from: Steve110 on May 08, 2008, 22:56:33 ---...and the officers, I imagine, are trained to shoot to kill rather than shoot to maim.
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. There is no such thing as "shoot to kill". It's an invention of Holywood. When firing any weapon you aim for the "centre of mass" to maximise your chances of hiting the target. In practice in most situations this means aiming for the centre of the chest... co-incidently where the heart and other major organs live.

In a dangerous situation facing an armed suspect no one will try to aim for the arm, the shoulder or any other target hinted at by the many action heroes to come out of Hollywood. Smaller target, harder to hit and no garantee of the individual going down, there are examples of drugged up suspects in the US taking 5&6 hits to the chest and still firing back.

Even the boys in black coveralls and respirators aim two to the chest before two to the head... and they are far more practised at it then the boys in blue coveralls.

Skibum

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