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Disco Matt:
Double deckers are common in mainland Europe, as Graham guessed they do have a larger loading gauge and the floor of the lower deck is only just above rail level. Doors are usually above the bogies with a few steps to the upper and lower levels. See photo here of German example:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/car/double_deck/misc/040401030.jpg

Double deck trains were tried in the UK with a pair of four car EMUs, the snag was that they were rather cramped and passengers in the upper compartments complained of feeling trapped. Rather than being a true double decker the upper and lower deck compartments were sort of intermeshed. This group is trying to restore one of the two surviving power cars:

http://members.tripod.com/~dart75/bdds.htm

schuee:

--- Quote from: crazymac on February 19, 2008, 22:18:15 ---All I can say is.......

I'm glad I don't live there and I'll be (I'll take this one out myself!! [-X) if I will ever go there!

--- End quote ---

I will join you in that sentiment ;)

Red Ken is welcome to the place, and may he go down with it :lol:

Keith

graham:

--- Quote from: Disco Matt on February 20, 2008, 22:34:08 ---Double deckers are common in mainland Europe, as Graham guessed they do have a larger loading gauge and the floor of the lower deck is only just above rail level. Doors are usually above the bogies with a few steps to the upper and lower levels. See photo here of German example:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/car/double_deck/misc/040401030.jpg

Double deck trains were tried in the UK with a pair of four car EMUs, the snag was that they were rather cramped and passengers in the upper compartments complained of feeling trapped. Rather than being a true double decker the upper and lower deck compartments were sort of intermeshed. This group is trying to restore one of the two surviving power cars:

http://members.tripod.com/~dart75/bdds.htm

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Yes those are like the ones in Holland they were very comfy and i was struck by how clean they were, and no graffiti.
Just shows the lack of investment by successive governments in this country.
I still say too many people in the country the doors  should be closed, only proven key workers given entry.

Defender:
I'm afraid the disease is spreading. just spotted this in one of our local papers:
 

--- Quote ---MP calls for low emission zone in Southport and FormbyFeb 20 2008
 
by Andrew Brown, Midweek Visiter
 
AGEING lorries, vans and motorhomes should pay up to £200 to drive into Southport and Formby to stop people choking to death, an MP has proposed.

Claire Curtis-Thomas, who represents Formby, called for a controversial “low emission zone” – pioneered in London this month – to be adopted in Sefton and elsewhere.

Under the scheme, operators of lorries and vans more than six-years-old must pay £200 a day to enter the capital or face a fine of £1,000.

The zone applies to lorries over 12 tonnes, but will quickly be extended to all diesel-engined vehicles over 3.5 tonnes, including motorhomes and larger delivery vans. From 2010, all vans and minibuses over 1.2 tonnes will be covered.

Supporters point to the 1,000 people who die prematurely in London each year because of polluted air, although they accept air quality will improve by only 1%.

Small operators however are warning they will be driven to the wall by either the charge, or the £3,000 bill for making their vehicles exempt by fitting particulate traps.

Now Ms Curtis-Thomas has urged her own borough of Sefton to follow suit, telling ministers: “Every day, my constituents have to endure thousands of belching vehicles travelling through the constituency, which has some of the highest asthma rates in the country.”

The MP has urged the Government to help her explore “the way in which it can be introduced in places such as Sefton, so that we, too, can save lives”.

However, Sefton Council said it had no plans for a low-emission zone and expressed surprise at the Labour MP's criticism, pointing to its Beacon Award for air quality last year.

Older lorries emit up to 40 times more air pollutants per mile than new ones, but London’s scheme will cost £49m to set up and £10m a year to run.
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This is from the MP who was the most expensive MP in the country (she has now been eclipsed by another MP on the gravy train  :lol: )
I contacted her about the NERC Bill before it became the NERC Act & she didn't even have the decency to reply. :x
 

 
 

 

schuee:

--- Quote from: Defender on February 21, 2008, 01:46:20 ---I'm afraid the disease is spreading. just spotted this in one of our local papers:
 

--- Quote ---MP calls for low emission zone in Southport and FormbyFeb 20 2008
 
by Andrew Brown, Midweek Visiter
 
AGEING lorries, vans and motorhomes should pay up to £200 to drive into Southport and Formby to stop people choking to death, an MP has proposed.

Claire Curtis-Thomas, who represents Formby, called for a controversial “low emission zone” – pioneered in London this month – to be adopted in Sefton and elsewhere.

Under the scheme, operators of lorries and vans more than six-years-old must pay £200 a day to enter the capital or face a fine of £1,000.

The zone applies to lorries over 12 tonnes, but will quickly be extended to all diesel-engined vehicles over 3.5 tonnes, including motorhomes and larger delivery vans. From 2010, all vans and minibuses over 1.2 tonnes will be covered.

Supporters point to the 1,000 people who die prematurely in London each year because of polluted air, although they accept air quality will improve by only 1%.

Small operators however are warning they will be driven to the wall by either the charge, or the £3,000 bill for making their vehicles exempt by fitting particulate traps.

Now Ms Curtis-Thomas has urged her own borough of Sefton to follow suit, telling ministers: “Every day, my constituents have to endure thousands of belching vehicles travelling through the constituency, which has some of the highest asthma rates in the country.”

The MP has urged the Government to help her explore “the way in which it can be introduced in places such as Sefton, so that we, too, can save lives”.

However, Sefton Council said it had no plans for a low-emission zone and expressed surprise at the Labour MP's criticism, pointing to its Beacon Award for air quality last year.

Older lorries emit up to 40 times more air pollutants per mile than new ones, but London’s scheme will cost £49m to set up and £10m a year to run.
--- End quote ---

This is from the MP who was the most expensive MP in the country (she has now been eclipsed by another MP on the gravy train  :lol: )
I contacted her about the NERC Bill before it became the NERC Act & she didn't even have the decency to reply. :x
 

 
 

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Doesn't surprise me one single bit, these people have been brain washed by Red Ken and his cronies, its all down to how much more money they can strangle out of honest hard working people, by jumping on the go green band wagon.

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