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SPECs on M27
Range Rover Blues:
That's a good point, if they face the front of your car then they won't catch bikes anyway.
Besides, I though it was illegal for the Gov't to use average speed cameras because it infringes our civil liberties.
Every day I think that leaving this country is a better idea.
Evilgoat:
Forward facing and they have no operational signature that detectors can pick up. The only thing they have depeding on time of day is bnloody great IR illuminators. The system grabs your number plate, then times how long it takes for the next camera to see you.
Bit of a giggle that they've put them at one of the worst congestion spots to so that everything will slow down even more. People seem to react to seeing these damn things by doing about 20mph under the limit. I serioulsy suspect that sectioon is about to get a 60 limit too, possibly the only way placing them there will make sense, and with major roadworks due there in the next few weeks for 18 months...
Its ANPR sorry, brain isnt working too well today.
Evilgoat:
--- Quote from: Range Rover Blues on January 14, 2008, 16:51:14 ---That's a good point, if they face the front of your car then they won't catch bikes anyway.
Besides, I though it was illegal for the Gov't to use average speed cameras because it infringes our civil liberties.
Every day I think that leaving this country is a better idea.
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And thats stopped them since when?
Range Rover Blues:
Ah, the fact that there's roadworks due is the key to that then, we've had them on the M1 at J31 for a year and that's been a 50 limit.
The Gov't argued that in area when the speed limit varied it was "impossible" to use fixed cameras, like on the M42 and M25, but they used that loophole to get them onto motorways with roadworks too.
If you think back to when ANPR cameras were introduced (we have loads round here, all on blue poles) there was a challenge in the European courts because monitoring which way you are travelling and at what time is an infringement of our personal freedom and right to privacy.
the judgement was upheld in the motorists favour, that's why we have loads of the blue cameras but they aren't (yet) speed traps. Otherwise every main road on the country will be average speed detected.
Evilgoat:
--- Quote from: Range Rover Blues on January 14, 2008, 16:58:57 ---Ah, the fact that there's roadworks due is the key to that then, we've had them on the M1 at J31 for a year and that's been a 50 limit.
The Gov't argued that in area when the speed limit varied it was "impossible" to use fixed cameras, like on the M42 and M25, but they used that loophole to get them onto motorways with roadworks too.
If you think back to when ANPR cameras were introduced (we have loads round here, all on blue poles) there was a challenge in the European courts because monitoring which way you are travelling and at what time is an infringement of our personal freedom and right to privacy.
the judgement was upheld in the motorists favour, that's why we have loads of the blue cameras but they aren't (yet) speed traps. Otherwise every main road on the country will be average speed detected.
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Blue ones are TrafficMaster, thats something altogether different and while it used ANPR nothing is logged. Basically it samples traffic continually and times how long it takes ot get to the next pole to generate traffic patterns. From this the Trafficmaster computers work out the average speed of that section of road and relay it to their cutomers via TMC. The ROMANSE cameras in Hampshire do the same thing, hence you'll often see the matrix signs lit up with 'xx minutes to junction xx'
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