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Tommo:
The problem i have with the prius is that it does like 60mpg, which isnt outstanding in all honesty, i had a pug 205 TD that would do 55mpg all day long. but its better than most cars of the same sort of size etc. BUT i cant see all the batteries being very environmentally friendly to despose of.
Thesy say that 80% of a modern cars carbon footprint is from its manufacture, so i would assume that the prius's complex systems cause much more carbon emissions during production and this probably far outweighs the savings on exhaust emmissions.
Also, how long d'ya rekkon a prius will last? It is certainly not infinitly rebuildable like a land rover. once its gubbins have worn out its in the bin. might be as little as 5 years or less. (not to mention when the latest green car comes out and the prius goes out of fashion)
so what about completely electric cars??? well where does most of that leccy come from? power stations fueled by fossil fuels. so you are just passing the buck. Unless you charge it up from a solar panel then its far from carbon neutral. and the same problems aply with most of it ending up in land fill in 3 years time.
Hydrogen cars? well at the moment we still have to get hydrogen from water using masive amounts of electricity, until a further breakthrough there these are no good either.
seen as we are a 4x4 forum what about them? well, not sure if the defender is still assembled by men with spanners, but that is a bonus. Anything LPG is to my knowlege carbon neutral as far as im aware, becasue excess LPG is just burned off into the atmosphere anyway so if you put some in your car then it makes no difference to the over all pollution.
So if you can find a car thats about to be scrapped, and runs on LPG you are on to a winner. you are helping saving the environment by saving that car from land fill. keeping it going prevents a new car having to be built to replace it.
The government seems to encourage us all to scrap our 'old vehicles that have poor emissions' and buy a brand new car that is 5mpg more economical. very misguided.
Boggert:
I like the new VW Polo Blue Motion...
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/forthcoming/polo_bluemotion
To be fair I am not a fan of the Prius, It looks as ugly as sin and they seem to be owned as a lame status symbol, by people who think they are saving the planet, when in reality the Polo is probably better. Plus the people I know who own them also have a garage full of Jags. :roll:
Silvery Thing:
--- Quote from: "Tommo" --- BUT i cant see all the batteries being very environmentally friendly to despose of.
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ALL batteries can be disposed of regardless of their construction
--- Quote from: "Tommo" ---Also, how long d'ya rekkon a prius will last? It is certainly not infinitly rebuildable like a land rover. once its gubbins have worn out its in the bin. might be as little as 5 years or less. (not to mention when the latest green car comes out and the prius goes out of fashion)
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Take a look at your local Toyota dealer and then tell me that the Prius lasts less than 5 years
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so what about completely electric cars??? well where does most of that leccy come from? power stations fueled by fossil fuels. so you are just passing the buck. Unless you charge it up from a solar panel then its far from carbon neutral. and the same problems aply with most of it ending up in land fill in 3 years time.
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We have to go nuclear for our future power needs, sadly we have no option for mass power production
--- Quote from: "Tommo" --- Anything LPG is to my knowlege carbon neutral as far as im aware, becasue excess LPG is just burned off into the atmosphere anyway so if you put some in your car then it makes no difference to the over all pollution.
So if you can find a car thats about to be scrapped, and runs on LPG you are on to a winner. you are helping saving the environment by saving that car from land fill. keeping it going prevents a new car having to be built to replace it.
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Are you really suggesting the LPG is carbon neutral :shock: Good grief man it is a petroleum gas and far from carbon neutral :?
--- Quote from: "Boggert" ---I like the new VW Polo Blue Motion...
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/forthcoming/polo_bluemotion
To be fair I am not a fan of the Prius, It looks as ugly as sin and they seem to be owned as a lame status symbol, by people who think they are saving the planet, when in reality the Polo is probably better. Plus the people I know who own them also have a garage full of Jags. :roll:
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Yes the Polo is a good car and how can you say that the Prius is "ugly as sin". With respect you drive a Terrano so you should not say such a thing :wink: :roll:
Before you all jump on me.... NO I do not own a Prius :D
Bulli:
the reality with the Prius is its driven by smug pratts who are more concerned with their image than anything else.
The model T did 25 to the gallon so not quite sure where you get your facts from. There is an article which points out it is more efficent than the ford explorer. The explorer must weigh 2.5 tonnes and is full 4wd and can carry 5 passengers and all their gear in comfort
if you believe it does 60 then you are being daft! they dont do more than 50, which makes it about the same level of economy as my diesel focus...oh and my focus is much better to drive and doesnt have a great big battery that damages the environment.
I do think this technology has something to offer and will make big improvements later its still not better than some of the current conventional motors.
Ian i know you love em but they are uglier than shreks butt!
Silvery Thing:
--- Quote from: "Bulli" ---the reality with the Prius is its driven by smug pratts who are more concerned with their image than anything else.
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You make an extremely wide sweeping and somewhat offensive statement there.... I say such as you obviously do not know every Prius owner or their reasons for buying such a car :roll:
I suggest that you get your brain cell into gear before typing such trash :x
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