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Fuel protest is back
littlepow:
Fuel is expensive in most European countries these days.
But then look at what the government provides to the public for free.
You will usually find that the contries with lower taxation provide less services.
So the question is what services do you want to give up, just to get cheaper fuel?
Evilgoat:
--- Quote from: "littlepow" ---Fuel is expensive in most European countries these days.
But then look at what the government provides to the public for free.
You will usually find that the contries with lower taxation provide less services.
So the question is what services do you want to give up, just to get cheaper fuel?
--- End quote ---
I'm not sure thats true.
Working in Soton and living in Portsmouth I have the choice
£5 ish for train, plus 2 mile walk each end and inconvienent arrive/depart times adding almost 2 hours to my working day.
£5 by bus + £1.25 to get a bus to Central Portsmouth and £0.75 this end from Soton to Hamble + 2 hours again. And the times are awful.
£4ish for the car and I get here when I want, leave when I want.
In Calgary:
From Acadia to Downtown (8 miles)
Drive, $2/3 of fuel. $10 of parking assuming I find a spot/reserve one.
Train/Bus, 2 min walk, $2 for all day travel anywhere, bus gets in 2 mins before train leaves, train right to downtown about 1 block from where I worked. Busses and trains run at sensible times.
Alberta has NO GST (about half of our VAT bill here gone)
Taxes are lower than here in terms of income tax
No NI, although you do have healthcare but thats still half of NI
This scene is repeated all over the world. Seattle, Vancouver, NYC, San-Fran, etc all the same sort of setup.
Here we seem to think that pricing people onto useless public transport will work while the infrastructure remains broken. We seem to have missed the fact that if these services work, people WILL use them. I would. Much rather sit in a warm train and read then get wound up on the M27.
Drift:
I work in the local head office for one of the UK and Europes biggest public transport operators and believe me at least on the bus side of things the goverment NEED to get there finger out.
This is a personal opinion.
Public transport still have to pay for fuel.
It is not subsidided anywhere close to the level people think, 90% is purely commercial.
Would you sell something that costs you money to sell?
Bus companies cant run routes that cost them money either, or they wouldnt exist.
lambert:
There is a way to avoid this. Abandon road fund licence. That way we get a tax break and they still get more money out of them as use more fuel. Much fairer.
Drift:
--- Quote from: "Bigbluemaverick" ---There is a way to avoid this. Abandon road fund licence. That way we get a tax break and they still get more money out of them as use more fuel. Much fairer.
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The greenies would be on your back then :( using fuel killing the world ect ect ect :roll:
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