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Democracy in the UK
glaggs:
The only good politics seems to be good for these days is to keep politicians employed and off the streets. Unfortunately I can't see what politicians are good for any more. Off to watch 'V for Vendetta' again!
Boddle:
True Democracy can only happen if you have a Government voted in by a majority (more than 50% of the population).
The UK is not a Democracy
Roughly 1/9 of the Legal Voting Public have voted for those in power
Currently we have just over a third of the Voter have voted for our Government (actually base on more than a third of seats in the house of parliament and there can mean that the party in power does not have a majority vote), And the voting public I believe is around a third of the population which are old enough to vote.
it would be interesting if everybody who can not be bothered to vote, Actually bother to go and do a spoiled paper which would mean a no vote, whether as the majority would be no vote no one would get into power.
To get true Democracy you need to have Proportional Representation(which means parties would have to join forces to get majority) and a Legal requirement that any UK citizen over the age 18 has to vote(you can spoil your paper still).
Sorry if this is a bit heavy.
--- Quote from: "Skibum346" ---I'm looking forward to the day when technology means we can all take part.
for instance...
Every debate in parliment is available for us to read up on before hand... perhaps an independent org can be created to put the arguments succinctly for the layman.
We each have a vote... electronically (garuanteed secure and non-hijackable for the sake of this fantasy! :roll: :lol: ).
If 50% of an MP's constituency votres, then that MP is required to take the side of his constituency over his party.
Thus... it's the people who make the decisions (or fail to) and they have no one else to blame if it all goes pear shaped!
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When would anybody in this country actually do any Work?
Will there every be Secure technology based systems?
Evilgoat:
There have been a few films close to the mark about where we are going but I'd say V for Vendetta is possibly one of the closest to whats happening. A lot of the backplot in there is based on actual events or events that could happen without too many changes to the facts.
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it would be interesting if everybody who can not be bothered to vote, Actually bother to go and do a spoiled paper which would mean a no vote, whether as the majority would be no vote no one would get into power.
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Bad news, it is now illegal to spoile a paper and I'm not sure how anonymous your vote is, certainly changes are afoot so that your vote is no longer anonymous
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Will there every be Secure technology based systems?
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There are, I work with them on a a daily basis the problem again lies with the system. The system favours friends of friends and those that can provide the best political benefit for the party/MP. It deosnt have to be outright backhanders. Because of this sub-standard businesses that cant actually implement these systems get the job, in fact I can tell you the company that would probobly get a job like that and they couldnt be trusted to find their backsides with both hands, a tourch map AND sat nav.
Big company, begins with C, lots of mates in the right places and suffer chronically from the 'reverse midas touch'
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graham:
Good to see I'm not on my own with my thinking, some good posts.
I've always voted but this time unless some party come out with some common sense and starts working for British citizens, I'm staying at home which i do anyway cos i can't have a fag with me pint. :evil:
Evilgoat:
--- Quote from: "graham" ---Good to see I'm not on my own with my thinking, some good posts.
I've always voted but this time unless some party come out with some common sense and starts working for British citizens, I'm staying at home which i do anyway cos i can't have a fag with me pint. :evil:
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Dont let bunnie hear you say that. That particular legislation had buried the pub :( I think its all over bar the paperwork on that front :(
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