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TDi90:
oi oi hold on.
i feel a bit of the underage drivers are all the problem theme coming on.
how unfair.
ill have you know there are a lot of 'young' drivers who are better then some adults, and young drivers are a LOT better then the old drivers who drive around in their stooooooooooopid honda's driving at 30mph everywhere.
now stop going on about young drivers causing the problems. all this L drivers talk once people [pass their tests they can be very good drivers, the tests are getting really quite difficult, and i think that if all adults took their test now i bet you at least 50% would fail on the spot.
Rob

Sider:
I have to confess that, as a professional driver, I don't hold the IAM test in such a high regard as you do.

Admitedly it is one step above the defensive driving techniques course, but it is nowhere near perfect.

Also, I am not too sure about retesting, however I would be more than happy to see a full medical test introduced, compulsory every five years, two years after the driver is 65, like, say, what is done in Spain.

It makes sure every driver meets the eyesight standard which is only perfunctorily tested nowadays. It also measures your reaction times, your hearing and general health.

My grandfather point blank refused to stop driving, even though he was a danger to everybody, including himself. You can't imagine how relieved we were when the doctor revoked his licence. That was done automatically. No appeal. If the doctor thinks you are not fit, Trafico does not argue it.

Now, over here, chap used to work with me, HGV driver, got a heart attack some 2 years ago. Doctor told him not to drive, likelihood of suffering another one was extremely high. Chap ignores doctor, doctor is legally prevented from contacting DVLA. Unofficially DVLA is contacted, only to be told that the details of the driver could not be acted upon unless the driver gave explicit consent.

Couple of months later, muppet suffers another heart attack while driving a 32 ton tipper, crashes against a minibus full of school children. No one injured, but can you picture the potential carnage???

Wireless:
I echo the sentiment made when explaining that both ROSPA and the IAM aren't legally able to test anyone as an advanced driver.

As an Ambulance Paramedic, having attended an Advanced Ambulance Driving Course and at my own instigation,  a ROSPA Advanced Driving Test without prior instruction (attained Gold or Grade 1 or whatever they call it these days), and previously trained as HGV (now LGV) and in off-road driving by the MoD, I was more than disappointed in a remark made by a group of IAM members after taking a look through their eye sight testing equipment.

Apparently, due to less than 20/20 vision in my left eye, I shouldn't be driving at all?!??

These people within IAM may vary in quality, but certainly in my area they appear to set themselves above everyone else on a pedestal.

Anyway, at an Autumn Fayre a few years ago, while visiting an IAM stand, they looked fairly upset when I revealed that at that time I drove fast response as a paramedic, at up to the maximum speed of the vehicle (Astra GTE 16V ~135mph).  I asked them whether their experience matched my own, and whether the IAM test had any legal standing, and got stoney silence.

From that point on I've not sought any dealings with the self-appointed idiots, who obviously get a sexual thrill from telling everyone how good they are behind the wheel, and break speed limits because they perceive they are better than everyone else.

I'm a bit of an evangelist when it comes to people who claim to be 'advanced drivers', I'm sure they aren't all the same as the people I've met, who were showing video of themselves speeding along country lanes 'doing their advanced driving'.  They have yet to impress me.

CaptainColourful:
Self-appointed and yet insurance companies offer discounts to encourage people to use their services.... How come ?

Political spin I reckon. You just keep telling people how good you are and eventually they believe it.

Range Rover Blues:
What annoys me is as you say insurance companies offer discounts for advanced motorists, well I was insuing one car or another and was asked if I was an advanced motorist,

"yes" I replied, "I'm a fully qualified driving instructor"

not good enough apparently :shock:

They asked if I had RoSPA, AMI, DIA, anything like that

"Oh sorry yes, I have a DSA ADI"

Any old rubbish that adds a few meaningless letters to your name is acceptable, and yet the only person legally allowed to charge money for driving instruction on the highway is a driving instructor, iether PDI or ADI, even if it's to advanced level.

So I can teach it, but apparently I'm not good enough to count for it.

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