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Madeleine McGann Murder
thermidorthelobster:
--- Quote from: "karlo" ---Should it not be "The Disappearance Of Madeleine McGann"?
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Well, strictly speaking, "The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann", as that's her name.
I think the point may be related to the Portuguese police suspecting the mother of having killed the girl.
On the radio they were saying part of the "evidence" is a blood stain in a hire car they are alleged to have used to move the body. They hired it 25 days after the disappearance. I'm no forensic scientist, but if you'd stored a body for 25 days, surely blood stains wouldn't be that relevant?
Sider:
--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---
--- Quote from: "karlo" ---Should it not be "The Disappearance Of Madeleine McGann"?
--- End quote ---
Well, strictly speaking, "The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann", as that's her name.
I think the point may be related to the Portuguese police suspecting the mother of having killed the girl.
On the radio they were saying part of the "evidence" is a blood stain in a hire car they are alleged to have used to move the body. They hired it 25 days after the disappearance. I'm no forensic scientist, but if you'd stored a body for 25 days, surely blood stains wouldn't be that relevant?
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They would not. By that time, transfer of blood would be minimal, unless the body had been stored in ideal conditions. (I studied Pathological Anathomy, which, if not quite the same, is quite similar to Forensic Pathology).
People react differently to different situations, and most of the reason for the way you behave is how you were brought up. If your family showed their emotions openly, chances is you will. If, however, your family taught you to repress your emotions, and not let them show to outsiders, then that's how you are going to appear.
My grandmother has lost 2 children (one 30 years ago, shotgun accident, the other one 15 years ago, leucaemia), my aunt is ill with terminal cancer, and my grandfather and my grandfather passed away a couple of months back. Even though I know for a fact that my gramma adored each and everyone of them, the same way she adores the rest of us, and even though we know she is sick with grief, no one outside the close family would be able to tell.
On another note, remember than according to portuguese penal law, it is an imprissonable offence for any member of the police or prosecution service to divulgue any information whatsoever related to a criminal investigation. Ergo, chances are this alleged "evidence" is the result of some journalist trying to impress his/her editor. Either that, of the Judiciaria is trying to score some brownie points by showing that they are actually getting some results, even if they are not based in anything solid.
karlo:
--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---
--- Quote from: "karlo" ---Should it not be "The Disappearance Of Madeleine McGann"?
--- End quote ---
Well, strictly speaking, "The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann", as that's her name.
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Indeed you are right I didn't notice that!
Murder is speculation not proven, Child abuse as in neglect well I think that has proved itself and hopefully (although not looking good) she will be found safe & well, Having kids of my own I would not have put them in that situation, IMO the parents should face prosecution.
freeagent:
agree with Karlo, whatever the outcome the parents should face prosecution for child neglect, the other kids need to go on the 'at risk' register aswell....
Lee_D:
It's not a Murder investigation as has rightly been pointed out but the Police need to consider this as an option.
I'm not aware of Blood being found in the car, DNA yes, Blood no.
Cross contamination is a big issue and given the time it has taken for this evidence to emerge it's most likely a technique called "low copy" DNA testing has been used. DNA from the likes of a bead of sweat, a splash from a sneeze etc etc. It needs some very special treatment to develop such samples and as such the accuarcy and detail is reduced, and thus it's forensic worth. Now look at how DNA works and put four relatives in a car , they are all going to have a similar DNA profile - especially the twins.
It may be enough to show the difference between two freinds, but close family is another matter.
Then look at cross contamination options in relation to low copy or indeed normal DNA processes assuming it was Maddies DNA that was found. For example it's very possible that the DNA found could have come from the clothing of any of the family sat in the car which had been in contact with Maddie before her disappearance, or maybe a handbag, a doll or a keyring. Lets not forget Maddie fell over getting on the plane and cut her knee, Maddie had her doll which her mum later had hold of in nearly every media shot after maddie initially disapeared - this may well result in the transfer of DNA and any forensic experts would have to acknowledge this as the potential source (even if the theory is wrong for those sceptics out there).
Blood in the appartment has already been discounted as not the McCanns family unless I've missed somthing. If forensic experts checked out my bathroom sink they would probably assume I'd killed myself several times over - death by shaving. Many people have used that appartment, many people will have bleed there.
While I won't sit back and say I'm not suspicious of anyone involved I will state for the record I'm glad we've stopped burning / dunking witches and Hanging folk as many would have gone down this route already.
The Portugeese police were aware the McCanns were about to come home - it may simply be a case that administratively it's simpler to declare them a suspect before they departed than try and do so after - it cuts down all the red tape. Declaring them suspects also allows them to ask some searching questions about what they have turned up. It may eliminate some evidence through simple explanation. I'm not completely reassured that the Portugeese police are fully up to speed with the in's and outs of DNA , cross contamination etc etc but then to be fair it's hard to tell given they operate in such a shroud of secrecy. It's also difficult as alot of the differences in Law also become confused in translation.
Lets not hang them out to dry just yet eh! Innocent to proven guilty chaps, not the other way around. They could be guilty but none of us know. Only the McCanns and whoever has / had Maddie truely know the truth.
Besides that I'll finish by saying the main thing is they find Maddie regardless of her fate. Lets not take the eye off the ball.
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