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simdeb:
a gardener near us has apparently been biten by a small size dog shiitzu type and has had to have his leg off, don't know any more details and i don't think its a rumor as there are too many people talking about it!!

i've always told my kids if the dogs start fighting with any other dog don't get in between let an adult intervene if necessary, i know its easier said than done but at i'd sooner go to the vets rather than the hospital

frosty:
It just amazes me that after all the hype about dangerous dogs over the past few years that some idiot dog owners are still being stupid about it! Mind u, im guessing its the same as drink drivers/ dangerous drivers etc.. theres always some small minority that bu**ers it up for the rest of us!

  Hope your dog, daughter and missus are all fine iluvmud,

  Cheers, Rob

Keri:
Thing is there is a big big difference between a dog that is dog dog aggressive and human aggressive! A dog dog aggressive dog will likly never bite person.

But end of the day anyone dog at any time no matter how nice or soft the dog could one day attack another dog or another person.

People attack other people all the time maybe they should be put down for that as well? It natural behaviour and people should be more responsible.

Evilgoat:

--- Quote from: "Keri" ---Thing is there is a big big difference between a dog that is dog dog aggressive and human aggressive! A dog dog aggressive dog will likly never bite person.

But end of the day anyone dog at any time no matter how nice or soft the dog could one day attack another dog or another person.

People attack other people all the time maybe they should be put down for that as well? It natural behaviour and people should be more responsible.
--- End quote ---


A keen grasp of dog ownership there Keri, well done.

At the end of the day a dog is a pack animal and its about expressing dominance and being the Alpha. The main reasons for attacks are a direct threat or expressing dominance. ANY dog will react to being directly threatened be it man or beast, that you cannot do anything about. Even your tired old 10 year old black lab will take lumps out of someone if he feels that the outcome of a situation will result in it being injured or killed, the same goes to threats against the pack leader (thats you if its trained properly).

When you train a dog a vitally important part of the training is estabilshing yourself as the alpha male/female and establish yourself as the pack leader. A correctly trained dog will expect this and respect it too. By extension humans are part of your pack and unless threatened it wont attack. The same goes for other dogs too, the animal will revert to the normal behaviour of defaulting to you and its very unlikeley it'll attack another dog and will usually submit.

If you fail to establish this pecking order theres one of two outcomes.

First the dog will not regcognise you as the pack leader and you'll have a lot of control issues, destructive behaviour and you'll probobly start seeing attacks against other dogs and people as it tried to assert its domiance and become the Alpha. When a dog is trying to assert domiance it doesnt matter who/what it directs these attacks at.

Secondly you can end up with a dog thats not quite right, and the above will also reply. A good example of this is one of my parents dogs who was never properly trained nor taught to respect my parents as the pack leaders. The result is while it tolerated mum, dad and the other dog (and all three have been attacked) it sees any other dog as a direct challenge and attacks.

And yes there are dangerous dogs that are going to be more inclined to have a go than others, my own dog for example. Its almost unknown for a Husky to have any issues with Humand or other dogs. But it will attack and kill animals that are smaller than it, Huskies are not unknown to kill cats. This is because like Collies and many other dogs not only are they working animals and are taylored for their environment, deep down they are still wild animals too. Thats why the whole pack hierarchy is needed.

Huskies will kill small animals but have amazing endurance (hence sled dogs)
Collies will herd things (hence sheepdogs)
Jack russels an many small terriers will go after small animals (hence ratters)
Dobies, Rotties and GSDs are feircly protective of the pack and very territorial (hence guard dogs)
PittBulls and several other terriers are bred to fight
Labs and retreivers are bred to be feircely loyal and defer to the human (gundogs, seeing eye dogs etc)

Its the way it is. Owning a dogs is NOT a case of buying it and forgetting about it like a cat, any breed, especially a working dog MUST be trained. At the end of the day a dog is a pack animal and this is something that you cant really bread out, as I said, even the most docile braindead spaniel will protect its owner. If you dont provide this for them they'll look to do it themselves.

Ther ARE dangerous breeds, and in fact pretty much any dog is dangerous in the hands of a dumb owner, I've see and heard of people being savaged by Retreivers and Labs becaus etheir owners spent the day beating the ahem out of them. At the same time I've lived with dangerous breeds and all you have to be afraid of normally is being drowned in drool. Buy a mutt and you can kind of get away from it, buy a working dog and.or a working dogs, especially a farm bred Border Collie, and you are in for a world of hurt if you dont get it trained.

This story is typical of what happens. A dog thats known to be a little bit 'not right' to start with, purchased with no thought as to how to bring up a dog and then when it gets too much, turned out. Sadly its probobly going to be difficult to do anythingis possible at all and it will probobly be put to sleep.

Responsible dog owners know all of this, the chavs that get a dog (normaly one of those bread for fighting because its well 'ard) just to look cool dont.

Wanderer:
Thing is there is a big big difference between a dog that is dog dog aggressive and human aggressive! A dog dog aggressive dog will likly never bite person.

There's one flaw there Keri.

Any animal showing aggresive tendencies leans  towards pack attitudes.
As soon as it considers a child or "lesser adult" as trying be higher up in the pack (by stopping the fight) then it WILL bite the human to reinstate it's position in the pack.
Which is why children get bitten more often than adults especially if they are down at face level with the dog at the time.

Ed

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