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att:
The Police should be armed, I have spent  a fair amount of time with the POlice in the USA and the way they do things is the way forward, however they can keep their racism, it was embarrassing at times.
We need to arm all of our police, it would stop all the petty crap that goes on...The serious stuff usually entails arms of some sort anyway, seems to be a win win situation for the public.
And those who say the villains will arm themselves etc....I feel you may find you are a tad late with that argument, look at the statistics with the frquency of armed police action in the last ten years..

Lord Shagg-Pyle:

--- Quote from: "att" ---The Police should be armed, I have spent  a fair amount of time with the POlice in the USA and the way they do things is the way forward, however they can keep their racism, it was embarrassing at times.
We need to arm all of our police, it would stop all the petty crap that goes on...The serious stuff usually entails arms of some sort anyway, seems to be a win win situation for the public.
And those who say the villains will arm themselves etc....I feel you may find you are a tad late with that argument, look at the statistics with the frquency of armed police action in the last ten years..
--- End quote ---


a very emotive subject and one that I'm sure has been covered before.
I have never carried a gun on duty, and would never want to. Saying that, I have been faced with firearms and if I had of been armed, then I would have been more than justified in the use of it.
It is the act of taking a life and the aftermath of that action. I will make the assumption that every police officer who has pulled a trigger can justify their actions in their own minds. However the Police hierarchy and Judicial system to do not see it like that.
That is the bit that bothers me most.
More use should be made of other 'less lethal' options (another PC phrase. Don't you just love it? :roll: ) like Taser, Baton rounds, and chemical incapacitants Pepperball.
Unfortunately, the hierarchy in the UK Police seem too scared to use this sort of method as "Its just not the British way of doing things".

Boggert:

--- Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle" ---
--- Quote from: "att" ---The Police should be armed, I have spent  a fair amount of time with the POlice in the USA and the way they do things is the way forward, however they can keep their racism, it was embarrassing at times.
We need to arm all of our police, it would stop all the petty crap that goes on...The serious stuff usually entails arms of some sort anyway, seems to be a win win situation for the public.
And those who say the villains will arm themselves etc....I feel you may find you are a tad late with that argument, look at the statistics with the frquency of armed police action in the last ten years..
--- End quote ---


a very emotive subject and one that I'm sure has been covered before.
I have never carried a gun on duty, and would never want to. Saying that, I have been faced with firearms and if I had of been armed, then I would have been more than justified in the use of it.
It is the act of taking a life and the aftermath of that action. I will make the assumption that every police officer who has pulled a trigger can justify their actions in their own minds. However the Police hierarchy and Judicial system to do not see it like that.
That is the bit that bothers me most.
More use should be made of other 'less lethal' options (another PC phrase. Don't you just love it? :roll: ) like Taser, Baton rounds, and chemical incapacitants Pepperball.
Unfortunately, the hierarchy in the UK Police seem too scared to use this sort of method as "Its just not the British way of doing things".
--- End quote ---


Couldn't agree more! If they said... ok chaps, its a choice a 9mm pistol or a Taser... I would take the taser any day.

As soon as you pull the trigger of a gun the Police officer is being investigated and is suspended!

Sider:
I spent 5 years of my life with a side weapon at all times, and I perfectly understand the point of view of officers in the UK.

Exactly what crap is carrying weapons going to erradicate?? Oh yeah, I know, let's threaten the 15 year old thugs vandalizing the corner shop. Anybody see the flaw in the theory??

As far as I know, proportionality comes into the equation somewhere when it comes to the PC explaining the judge why he did what he did. Ergo, a firearm would be next to useless to your average bobby. All it would be is another opportunity for an accident, and that would only satisfy the red-tape brigade (another 275 yards of useless paperwork, explaining why PC Smith allowed 5 thugs to beat him to pulp and steal his/her weapon, which will no doubt be used to mug old ladies. How careless and unproffesional of PC Smith. BTW, has he/she regained consciousness yet, so we can discipline him/her???).

In all honesty, leave weapons to those with both the training and the vocation to carry them. Weapons do not prevent crime, and they can create a lot of headaches.

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