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Faith In The Forum Community Dented.....
thermidorthelobster:
To be fair, if you want to charge for the information you provide, nobody's stopping you, just as nobody's forcing you to buy Wizard's information. It's up to you whether you come to the forum as a hobbyist / enthusiast or somebody who makes their livelihood from the 4x4 industry.
You're correct that the other post was pulled because it was using the forum to sell a commercial product; I understood your gripe to be that somebody was offering a commercial product based on this information regardless of whether it was delivered through the forum or not.
--- Quote ---why does a fellow forummer with the info at their fingertips want to charge a fellow forumer a tenner for the privelege??? of passing on a few details???
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- maybe because it's his livelihood?
Regarding sharing information, I'm sure if you call Devon 4x4, or Discoparts, or any number of other companies who have members within this forum, the responses you will get will be based on people's wide experiences. If Company X is selling you some shock absorbers with written instructions, they're not going to withhold useful information which they gleaned by talking to people on this forum. So in a sense, surely all information you buy from companies comes from shared experiences, unless they have designers and engineers working in sealed workshops who are prevented from communicating with their customers? OK, I'm playing Devil's Advocate a bit here.
One option would be to ban anybody with a commercial interest from taking part in the forum at all, but the community would be much poorer for this. Remember, Wizard didn't just offer to sell you a product, he also posted a link with free shared information. Whilst as a moderator I'd have to enforce rules about commercial advertising, I also appreciate the non-commercial information Wizard and others share on the forum.
thermidorthelobster:
By the way, the rules of the forum don't actually preclude people from giving commercial recommendations in response to members' posts, within reason.
welshlaner:
--- Quote from: "BadgersRover" ---welshlaner i believe we are probably talking about the same forum.
I didnt know wether the Rave software was legal or not? I do have a proper copy of the Range Rover Classic stuff, or at least i think it is, it came in a proper case and its a proper cd, not a cd-r.
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Not just that one serveral do it as well, someone asks for some infro, then someone posts a link to genunue workshop manuals, often on websites outside the uk, the link is delated and the orginal poster gets fusrated. Then he pm's the bloke who posted the link and the infro geamed.
I can see the forum mods problem but if its a link to a website outside the uk whats the problem. some countries have different copywright laws/guidelines your just not goin to stop it.
It was the same with lane infromation some years back, plenty of sites offering route plans etc for £5 - £10 then someone wrote there own for free, posted the links on the forums and guess what, had them deleated. Why cause the forum mods claimed would encourage the "wrong sort" of people going laning, but closer investigation revealed that the mods had vested interests in the fee paying route plans.
Too many people have tried to make a fast buck out of the hobby only to find the forums and the tinernet has changed a lot, the trend is for free information, by all means write, publish and charge for CDs but with the ease of copying and the hassle of inforcement think hard about it, its often very hard to make any money out of technical writing
datalas:
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I can see the forum mods problem but if its a link to a website outside the uk whats the problem. some countries have different copyright laws/guidelines your just not going to stop it.
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Well, there's two things involved in that one I guess.
1) There may well be different legal restrictions on copyright in other countries, but mud-club is hosted in this one and has to abide by the laws and conditions of it, if only because we run the risk of getting kicked out of the data center if we don't.
2) It is illigal (at least in this country) and that is the simple matter-of-fact of it, it's legal to sell body organs in brazil, but I'd still worry about anyone auctioning off their kidneys...
welshlaner:
--- Quote from: "datalas" ---
Well, there's two things involved in that one I guess.
1) There may well be different legal restrictions on copyright in other countries, but mud-club is hosted in this one and has to abide by the laws and conditions of it, if only because we run the risk of getting kicked out of the data center if we don't.
2) It is illigal (at least in this country) and that is the simple matter-of-fact of it, it's legal to sell body organs in brazil, but I'd still worry about anyone auctioning off their kidneys...
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Ok then but instead of putting the link up would it be acceptable to say so and so club in XXXXX country has the info on their website.
This seems to be a problem can't name a site which has it, so people then say try our friends in the "Northern Country club site " its on there.
Different UK based forums have different rules some allow direct links others one has to look for clues
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