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thermidorthelobster:
I can only think that people didn't take the time and effort to get used to using them. I'm baffled as to how PCs can in any way be seen as better. Remember that until a month ago I hadn't used anything other than a PC for many years.
The mouse button count is a personal thing, but Macs work perfectly with 2 button mice if you prefer them. (It's just a case of plug and play - no messing around with hardware configuration issues, naturally 8) )
All I can do is re-iterate that I've been using mine for several weeks and find it immeasurably better than a PC. It's more stable, more reliable, easier to use, doesn't feel like it's obsolete before I got it out the box, has a better User Interface, is more consistent, the hardware is better designed, etc etc. There's no shortage of software, and it tends to be of higher quality (maybe because crap engineers don't bother writing software for a less popular platform).
I don't disagree with you on the virus thing, but I don't really care about the reasons why :) I'll still be sitting here typing away whilst you're trying to update your virus definitions before you get blasted :)
Plus I get a warm feeling not putting money into this idiot's pocket:
http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html
beattiedh:
Having been working with Macs for over 11 years, myself, as an engineer and reseller, I can honestly say that it does not suprise me that the reaction of the college is true.
If this was 18 months ago then they would probably have been using OS9 which has been a gradual development of the original OS 7 from about 1989. This OS was easy to work on but easy to fix but was unreliable and when it crashed you could do nothing but restart. It was as unreliable as Win 95, 98 and ME.
Macs now run on OSX which has BSD Unix and a core engine and is there fore based on a proven core code. XP is still based on the fundaments of DOS and until longhorn (a total rewrite of windows yet again) is released will be.
If you have a Mac that is running the old OS you can install the new one on a machine that is up to 6 yeas old and it will run quite happily, no driver issues, it will see and use all of the bits in the box. Talk about longevity of a product and return of investment.
I even have OSX installed on my iPod and that enables me to plug it into any Mac with firewire (standard for over 5 years) and run that computer from my OS on the iPod. Not a hope in hell of doing that sort of logical workflow on a windows machine.
Please don't get me wrong I think Macs have always been good but now with OSX they are the machine that they always should have been.
We sell windows boxes aswell and they are very good for certain tasks however it has been proven that Macs are normally 20% more expensive but have a 40% longer life span and take, we know because we look after Macs & PC's, only take up 20% of our support calls. We look after approx. 200 Macs and 50 PC's.
Techie rant over. It just annoys me that with the amount of money Gates has he still cannot deliver to his customers (most of the world) a proper secure OS. The only way you can protect your machine is to buy a lot of third party utilities, spyware and protection software. I do not even run a virus software, have not done for 2 years, and I am a Mac engineer.
We look after anumber of Mac departments inside PC corporates and whenver we install the Macs the IT boys (all windoze of course) are very cautious and sceptical. Within six months or so 80% have ditched their PC at home because they can but at work still use a PC beacuse of the coporate infrastructure. A bit suprising but true, these IT boys love macs beacuse of their simplicity and logic.
This should never be an argument, but because one person says they have had a bad experience with a Mac doesn't mean they are all bad. I happens to us all even in 4x4 land. Look at my stranded post in Greenlaning forum.
Still you pays your money you takes your choice. Some have landies some have suzukis some have mistsu's but we all like mud!!
Dunc
muddyweb:
--- Quote from: "beattiedh" ---This should never be an argument, but because one person says they have had a bad experience with a Mac doesn't mean they are all bad.
--- End quote ---
Couldn't agree more... and the same rules must be applied to Windows Machines.
I run a Mac (OSX 10), Windows (XP Pro) and Linux (Mandrake 9.2) machines in my daily life.... do NOT be fooled into thinking that *any* of them are fully secure.
There are security vulnerabilities in all operating systems, the only reason we hear about so many Windows problems is because they are so heavily targeted by people who seem to have a problem with Microsoft making money.
Are MS products perfect ? Of course not. But they do have a massive user base, and as such are here to stay.
I am very pro Linux, but I will always use the tool I consider best for any given job. On my laptop, that means I choose to use XP. It has better device support, better wireless support and I have never had a system crash or hang. (My experiences... so don't tell me that they are not true).. for all my servers I use Linux, because I happen to think it is a technically better solution for server systems.
What does upset me are the silly attempts to run Microsoft down.. (M$, Micro$$oft, Windoze, and so on)... because in my opinion, these sort of insults give the impression of a lack of other sane argument.
I had something like 200Mb of Mac updates a couple of weeks back... these were security updates. I didn't hear anybody complaining about that... yet strangley, when I had 90Mb of XP updates, people on message boards were saying what a terrible mess Windows is, and how they should have got it right in the first place.
If recent events have shown us anything, as Dunc touched on, is that tolerance and acceptance are more important than anything.
Sorry... that was only meant to be a quick post ;-)
beattiedh:
Good point Tim.
These systems are all around to stay and it will always be the a choice the user has to make, for home systems anyway.
Mac used to be a lot worse and is now a true OS that works very well. We use both Macs and PC's. PC for admin Sage etc and Macs for our portables because we are an Apple Reseller and we love them.
But we do sell a number of PC solutons and have no qualms in doing so. Horses for courses.
If you are fed up with Windows them the Mac really is now a proper alternative if all you want is a home machine to do letters, handle photos, e-mail, edit movies, surf, print etc
Any windows only application will not run.
I love Macs but PC's do a good job aswell.
Dunc
thermidorthelobster:
--- Quote from: "beattiedh" ---Any windows only application will not run.
--- End quote ---
They will with Microsoft Virtual PC software. In fact, because of the hardware issues I had on my PC, Windows XP runs more stably on my Mac than it ever did on my PC.
However, this is very slow on a G4 processor, so I wouldn't recommend it for anything other than occasional use, although I think it's better on a G5. But it gets you out of trouble for the odd app.
The only thing I use it for is a panoramic photograph package; there are equivalents on the Mac but I've not found them as good. Everything else I run native on the Mac.
David
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