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bezzabsa:

--- Quote from: "BadgersRover" ---I also read somewhere (i am trying to find out where) that an insurance company statistic said that the majority of accidents involving motorbikes and cars ended being the motorbike riders fault.

I say they should be limited, as with cars as well, there is no need to go above 70mph as that is the top speed limit in this country.

And no, i generally dont like bikers as their attitude generally stinks and i am fed up with nearly running them over because they think the lines between lanes are a special lane for them.
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Filtering between lanes is one of the reasons we love bikes - and YES it is legal..I find most of your statement slightly offensive - and quite bigoted..imagine if someone posted that on here but instead of BIKER they placed 4x4 driver?? We are all entitled to our ownm opinions - but i think yours would be better kept to yourself, as Bulli has stated 99% of bikers are the kind of everyday person that you wouldnt give a 2nd look to....I darent post anymore as I think it would be moderated to death..

Evilgoat:
I can see both sides. I've had to shoehorm one or more bikers out of the sides of things they've hit because they were being an arse and racing. I've been hit by a biker doing 70, in a 30mph limit, in thick fog and no lights, hard enough to bend a Ford Cortina. Then again I've sene the same happening with chav-mobiles.

I've also been taken off my bike enough times I gave up and sold it. More than once I ended up sat on som old ladys bonnet wondering where my bike was. I've also sat in 26+ plus heat in a jam with the TL's exhausts slowly roasting my backside, do it once and you decide that hell yes, you will use that empty space between cars.

Limiting them, yes and no, the TL had an insane top speed and I wouldnt mind if either that OR the Audi were restricted to 120MPH as many veichles from Europe are (Audi was 'unlocked' for track days). If the limit is low you start to run into sutuations where overtaking starts to get REALLY dangerous.

At the end of the day, cars, bikes and importantly (and I REALLY wish people would get this into their head) speed do not kill people, people do!

Bikers are like any group, they will respond badly to people that try and convince them that they are wrong, hmm, just like us 4x4 owners.

V8MoneyPit:

--- Quote from: "Evilgoat" ---At the end of the day, cars, bikes and importantly (and I REALLY wish people would get this into their head) speed do not kill people, people do!
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Too right! Cars, bikes, buses, etc are all inanimate objects and as such cannot possibly be dangerous in their own right. They only become so once you install the last nut during assembly....... the one behind the wheel or bars!

I've always maintained that speed doesn't kill, it's the misuse of speed that kills. Pretty much what you said in a different way.

RCRockCrawler:

--- Quote ---...could not see why anyone needed a bike with a top speed of more than 65 mph...
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...and what's the motorway speed limit again? Yes, it's 70.

What the ol' government needs to undertsand is that not everyone keeps their cars/bikes/4x4s on the road.  You can't say "...well, you must have it limited to 70 because you shouldn't be going faster than that anyway..." because many bikers use their machines on track days and suchlike, where 70mph will get you nowhere. As, do we need bigger tyres, wider track widths and more powerful engines for when we compete in 4x4 challenges.

bezzabsa:
Nice to see this was unlocked - Thank you to whoever did ;).
The original point of this thread was to show that its Not only 4x4-ers that are seen as social leppers..Bikers have had that honor for years...and the other thread seems to bear out this point quite nicely!
 Bikers train more just to get a licence -  you have the horrors of CBT (COMPULSARY BASIC TRAINING - something that I think car drivers would benefit from) - then the Theory test - Hazard perception test - and then the actual test - and if you are under 21 - ANOTHER test to ride Large machines - Over 500cc....So in theory we should be safer road users...So if the same Training Ethic was applied to car drivers the roads would be an infinately safer place for ALL road users.
Only problem is If car drivers had to endure Power limits - and more training the 'Do-gooders' would have a fit!!! and claim Breach of human rights - and freedom of choice.
Which brings me back to the original point - if we CHOOSE to ride a Motorcycle - then we have the right to choose what size of bike we want to ride, and if that bike can exceed the national speed limit - then so be it - Do we hear a fuss if a 17 year old passes his test and then gets brought a 1 ton chunk of metal that is capable of speeds in excess of the national speed limit??????
Im all for safer roads - but through instruction rather than exclusion.




Rant over - For a while anyway ;)

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