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Fuddy as muck:
I Fully understand the laws on passengers in regards to the station wagon but i wondered if it was illegal to carry passengers sitting on side monted bench seats in the rear tub of a 1969 vehicle. From the reply's recieved so far i think its safe to say this is one of the questions that no one really knows the answer to :D

Darren

tomarse:

--- Quote from: "Family Drat" ---I Fully understand the laws on passengers in regards to the station wagon but i wondered if it was illegal to carry passengers sitting on side monted bench seats in the rear tub of a 1969 vehicle. From the reply's recieved so far i think its safe to say this is one of the questions that no one really knows the answer to :D

Darren
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Why wouldnt it be legal?. seatbelts are not a requirement on that age of vehicle.

S188:
Not sure you need seatbelts on sideways faceing seats full stop! My mate used to have an R reg 90 with sideways seats (bench not Stationwagon) in the back and that never had a problem with an MOT.

Anything built before abotu 1984 only needs front seatbelts (unless like my motor its something like pre 1965 in which case you need nothing).  Aparently the main issure is there needs to be something classed as a seat there like fixed wooden slats or benches to be classed as seats and the insurers must rate it for the number of passengers.  Someone I know once asked a policeman what he could be done for with people sitting on the wheelboxes whilst insured, apanantly the answer was and insecure load :shock: so maybe its just as grey for them!

redhand:

--- Quote from: "S188" ---Not sure you need seatbelts on sideways faceing seats full stop! My mate used to have an R reg 90 with sideways seats (bench not Stationwagon) in the back and that never had a problem with an MOT.

Anything built before abotu 1984 only needs front seatbelts (unless like my motor its something like pre 1965 in which case you need nothing).  Aparently the main issure is there needs to be something classed as a seat there like fixed wooden slats or benches to be classed as seats and the insurers must rate it for the number of passengers.  Someone I know once asked a policeman what he could be done for with people sitting on the wheelboxes whilst insured, apanantly the answer was and insecure load :shock: so maybe its just as grey for them!
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If the vehice wasn't fitted with seatbelts when it was made then it doesn't need seatbelts. If it was fitted with side facing seats or bench seats then they are legal for the carriage of passengers. The new child seat belt laws make it illegal to use a lapbelt on a child in a side facing seat. this means that you can carry children on a sidefacing seat but you're not allowed to use a lapbelt to secure them in the back. So you are legally allowed to carry adults and children unrestrained in the rear of your landy.

James.Harwood:
You would be increasing the number of seats, as a truck cab you have 3 seats and are therefore only insured to carry driver + 2 others.

If you add seats you will need to inform dvla and insurance company to be legal.  Other than that no problems.

Unless your registration form doesn't specify body and number of seats in which case you just need to make sure that you only carry upto the number of people you are insured for.

The fact that the rear passengers are 'uncovered' is no problem - see convertable cars.

As for seatbelts in a S2a they are not necessary as they were only fitted in the front when new and never fitted in the back.  If you have anyone in the back just remember there is nothing to stop them leaving the vehicle when you go round that bend to fast or over a speed hump.

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