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Who Asked about Vista
thermidorthelobster:
--- Quote from: "ian_s" ---there is nothing a mac can do that a windows PC cant.
there is nothing a windows PC can do that a mac cant. oh except play decent games.
oh, and the latest macs? same hardware architecture as a PC.
you can install mac OSX on a PC, and you can install windows XP on a mac.
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Point of order, you can't install OS X on a PC, without a lot of headaches and breaking the licensing agreement.
I'm not sure I really agree with your point. You could actually do anything you could do on a Mac OR a PC on a pen and paper if you wanted. But that's missing the point entirely. You would only do that if you were a masochist.
The reason I use the Mac wherever possible is that I can do what I want to, quickly, reliably and securely, compared to a PC where I have to work harder to get the same results, have more reliability problems, and have to spend more admin time keeping the system secure and stable.
You can dual-boot a Mac into either Windows or OS X, but in practice most Macs spend 95% of their lives running OS X. Why? Because most users realise it's a better way to work. I've used PCs since the days of DOS, and Macs for about 4 years, and the only reason I still use a PC is because it's cheaper to buy the hardware where I'm going to be lugging the machine round a school all the time and might damage it.
And just to really stoke the flames...
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Mudlark:
Like that thermidorthelobster :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Actually you can make more money with pc users because people rarely understand them so they need to be taught to use them and massive amounts of money can be made out of businesses, just supplying them with custom databases which they then need to be taught how to use :lol: :lol: :lol:
narked:
--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---
Point of order, you can't install OS X on a PC, without a lot of headaches and breaking the licensing agreement.
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And M$ have been given a hard time for years for bundling IE with Windows. Apple insist on you only being able to use OS X on their own hardware, even though it's capable of running on other standard PC hardware. "Why buy a new PC just to run Vista? Buy a new Mac instead, for more cash for an equivalent machine, and have a much more limited choice of applications to use, not just compared to Vista, but compared to XP which is working perfectly well now on your current machine!".
Maybe I'm biased, but I was put off Macs for life in school. The only good thing about 'em was being able to play Dino Park Tycoon! Yup, Windows is far (far far far!) from perfect, but as far as having a wide selection of software packages/games to choose from goes, currently it's still infront as far as I'm concerned.
But it has to be said, I'm not convinced with Vista either. Don't think XP had actually hit the shelves before they'd started working on it, just another way of getting you to keep putting money in their coffers. Also think they're being a bit on the sneaky side with the various different versions. Seems a lot of machines are coming equipped with the most basic version, which seems to be a ploy to get people essentially purchasing it twice, due to the limitations they may come across, making them upgrade to one of the "more powerful" or rather "less restricted" versions.
thermidorthelobster:
--- Quote from: "narked" ---And M$ have been given a hard time for years for bundling IE with Windows. Apple insist on you only being able to use OS X on their own hardware, even though it's capable of running on other standard PC hardware.
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Yeah, you're right, this is a bit pot and kettle. One reason for this is that Apple make a lot more money selling their own hardware than they would just selling the O/S. However, there's another dimension to it too - one of the reasons Macs are reliable is that the people who write the O/S have a lot of control over the hardware platform too. So you benefit from the unified platform; I think this is partly why Mac aficionados don't complain too loudly about the lock-in. If XP only ran on hardware built by Microsoft, it'd probably have fewer reliability problems.
--- Quote ---Buy a new Mac instead, for more cash for an equivalent machine, and have a much more limited choice of applications to use
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In practice, there is a wealth of software available for the Mac. I've found very few bits of PC software where I can't find an equivalent or better for the Mac. Unless you have a particular bit of software in mind, this generally isn't a reason for not getting a Mac, and besides, you can boot into XP anyway. So with a Mac you can run all your Windows AND Mac software. Like I said, though, most people don't bother too much with booting into Windows after a while.
--- Quote ---Maybe I'm biased, but I was put off Macs for life in school.
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When was this? Apple had a major architecture change in 2001 and if you were using Macs running OS 9 before then, you'd find a huge difference. I used Macs at college and found them a bit lacking in some respects, but since OS X was introduced they've changed pretty significantly.
narked:
Have to admit it was older generation macs I was using :P Infact the last ones we used in school were pre-iMac. Think I was in year 8 (around '97) when they got rid of all the Macs in our school (having said that they were still using BBCs in the Maths depth!) so I haven't really used any more recent Mac systems properly, other than having a quick play on a laptop in one of the new Apple stores in Manchester over Christmas. Have to admit it look nice, but no matter how well the software is tailored to the hardware, it's nice to have the freedom to run it on a different machine without breaking the terms of the user license.
Ok, so yeah, a lot of the software I could get "equivalent" for OS X. For some of the work I do, I use AutoCAD 2007 and 3D Studio Max 9. Now sure, I could get "equivalent" software for the Mac, but not the same. The same way a Shogun is equivalent to a Discovery. They achieve the same thing, but how they go about it is different. It's a matter of personal taste and what you become accustomed to. The time I spent in school and 6th form, we didn't touch anything other than Windows machines, and personally I do have to admit that on an A level Computing course (as in programming and architecture, not basic IT), you'd expect them to teach at least 1 module on alternative systems, but they don't. And because of this, Windows is what I'm comfortable with. Before I moved to Wales, and I had a couple of spare machines lying around, I had 2 set up as Linux systems, 1 running Smoothwall to provide the firewall and routing for the home network, and another just to play about with. And (I'll probably get lynced for this) although it can be quite interesting to play with, it's a long way from providing any real competition to either Apple or Microsoft. It's great if you know what you're doing, and how to work around problems, but otherwise forget it.
I'd love to give OS X a chance, but there's only 2 ways to do so, either break the license and work around a load of hacks to install it on a PC, or buy a new computer.
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