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bullfrog:
We had an explorer and they are great, Just a little thirsty. With LPG they make a great choice. The Patrol is a nice beast but getting a good'un for your budget could mean compremising on quality as with the VX too.
Mavericks are sh*** so dont get one !

laser_jock99:

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I would avoid the surf ec as all their diesals can suffer head problems.
The 2.4 and 3.0 .

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....er the 3.0L Surf doesn't have head problems!

If you get a 2.4L with the new design head (a lot had them fitted under warranty while in Japan) then they won't have problems either!

laser_jock99:

--- Quote from: "bullfrog" ---Sorry to correct you but habving spoken to Toyota mechanics and one factort technician ALL of them suffer. I know of 4 people who had problems righyt up to 2000 models.
Anyone who says "they sorted it" is lying the only diesal which didnt have issues was the 4.2 .
All others had corrosion problems.
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In the real world 3.0L TD head problems are more or less unheard of on the UK Hilux Surf forum. There are 9,500 Surf owners but only I know of a handful of instances where a 3.0L head has cracked. In two of those cases it was just down to poor maintenance (low coolant). In another case the head gasket had failed and the been ignored. Not really a trend or design fault.

In a forum poll of 2.4L TD owners only 15% had experienced overheating/head problems.

The 3.0L TD is a lot more resilient than the 2.4L TD - but ANY head can crack if you overheat it. This advice applies to all manufacturers.

MrTFWitt:

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In a forum poll of 2.4L TD owners only 15% had experienced overheating/head problems.


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I can hook you up with a Toyota Hilux 2.4 surf with a "slight knock" for only £500.
I was tempted to buy it from a chap at work until I looked at how many dead and dying surfs were on ebay due to engine problems.

It seems many owners are unaware of the 5000Km/3 month oil change requirement on this engine.
http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/techsite/maintenanceshcedule.htm

As regards the survey, maybe the other 85% were busy changing their oil that weekend.
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AndrewG:
Cheers for all the advice.

Settled on the Jeep ZJ eventually.

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