DETROIT LOCKERS AND DETROIT TRUETRACS

[extreme90]

Well i bet what puts most people of is the price of 1 air locker and then having to buy a compresser and then wiring the compresser in and then getting the air line to your diff and then drilling a hole in your axle case..... LSD same as changing a diff.

I wouldnt say no to a set of ARB lockers but i would say no for the near £1000 price tag for having 2 of them in.

thats just you convincing yourself not to fit them,

there is a reason that nearly all the competitors on the OBC Oz use ARB's

 I'd love ARB's on my rangie. I'm sure they're an amazing piece of kit and I'd have a set right now if I could, but I can think of 1000 reasons not to fit them. (each reason looks like a pound coin )

The trouble is ARBs are too good compared to the rest of your land rover axle.



I can think of a further 1090 reasons not to fit them and that doesn't include the extra 790 reasons for diff peging and ring/pinions.

my axles arnt pegged and never will be...reason being....i dont have 300+bhp under the bonnet and never will  :roll:
people always think you need a diff pegging when you dont because you simply dont have the hp under the bonnet
as for shafts, thats the same as a detroit or any other

it all comes down to cost....but ask adam (discov-8) how long it took him to break his detroit  :roll:  not long at all  :shock:

id rather spend the extra pounds on a diff i can control, and one that wont break when the going gets tuff

[extreme90]

Well i bet what puts most people of is the price of 1 air locker and then having to buy a compresser and then wiring the compresser in and then getting the air line to your diff and then drilling a hole in your axle case..... LSD same as changing a diff.

I wouldnt say no to a set of ARB lockers but i would say no for the near £1000 price tag for having 2 of them in.

thats just you convincing yourself not to fit them,

there is a reason that nearly all the competitors on the OBC Oz use ARB's

You misunderstood what I was trying to say.
The guy was asking about lockers so I was explaining what extras you have to do to fit an Air Locker...
As I stated at the end of my post I wouldn’t say no to a set if the price was cheaper. As not everyone can throw thousands of pounds at a land rover with out there "other half" chewing there ear off

pmsl...dont tell her  
as for price...pick the fone up and sweet talk liz or shelly the price will soon drop  :lol:  a mike  :twisted:

[clbarclay]

my axles arnt pegged and never will be...reason being....i dont have 300+bhp under the bonnet and never will  :roll:
people always think you need a diff pegging when you dont because you simply dont have the hp under the bonnet
as for shafts, thats the same as a detroit or any other

it all comes down to cost....but ask adam (discov-8) how long it took him to break his detroit  :roll:  not long at all  :shock:

id rather spend the extra pounds on a diff i can control, and one that wont break when the going gets tuff

You don't need 300hp to break a diff. Torque is the critical value, if you increse the gear ratio (make vehicle slower) then for a given power you will increase the toque transmitted through the axle. I will agree though that most land rovers don't generate enough torque to need pegging.


Tell me more about the detroit you mention, the only time i've heard of one breaking was because it had been machined after manufacture, weakening it.


As for shafts, it does depending a bit how its driven. With an locked diff you can end up with 100% of the torque being transmited through one halfshaft. With LSD or torque biasing diffs it is practicall impossible to transmit all the torque through one halfshaft meaning they are less likely to break, with a truetrac maximum toruque that can be transmitted through one halfshaft is about 83% (5:1 torque bias).


Don't think I'm a detroit man or have a bias towards any one type diff. I just prefere to understand the pros and cons of all avalible alternatives.

[CNorman]

I have to admit i have friends who run ARB's on their range rovers and they are simply fantastic. Tough as hell to.

I have never run a detroit etc however when i looked into them i could not believe they are nuturally locked!!!!! Surelly that is a recipe for disa#ster on road. I would expect tyre scrubbing, poor handling and much increased wear.

Also i cant see how they can reliably unlock and yet be suitable off road. Have never used one so cant really comment however can say that ARB's are simply excellent.

[extreme90]

my axles arnt pegged and never will be...reason being....i dont have 300+bhp under the bonnet and never will  :roll:
people always think you need a diff pegging when you dont because you simply dont have the hp under the bonnet
as for shafts, thats the same as a detroit or any other

it all comes down to cost....but ask adam (discov-8) how long it took him to break his detroit  :roll:  not long at all  :shock:

id rather spend the extra pounds on a diff i can control, and one that wont break when the going gets tuff

You don't need 300hp to break a diff. Torque is the critical value, if you increse the gear ratio (make vehicle slower) then for a given power you will increase the toque transmitted through the axle. I will agree though that most land rovers don't generate enough torque to need pegging.


Tell me more about the detroit you mention, the only time i've heard of one breaking was because it had been machined after manufacture, weakening it.


As for shafts, it does depending a bit how its driven. With an locked diff you can end up with 100% of the torque being transmited through one halfshaft. With LSD or torque biasing diffs it is practicall impossible to transmit all the torque through one halfshaft meaning they are less likely to break, with a truetrac maximum toruque that can be transmitted through one halfshaft is about 83% (5:1 torque bias).


Don't think I'm a detroit man or have a bias towards any one type diff. I just prefere to understand the pros and cons of all avalible alternatives.

if your saying that a arb needs to be pegged then thats the same for a truetrack aswel
i do understand the basic theorys behind this lot, yes your right about at times 100% of drive is through 1 shaft, and ive had it pleant of times, thats why ive got ashcroft shafts

to save squabbling anymore let cut to the chase

a detroit is only good if you want to fit and forget
a arb is there so you can choose when you need it

id rather chose IMO as sometimes a locked diff is a hindrence more than help as disco v8 wil vouch

as for his breakage, i cant remember for my life what he broke but it cost him in the region of 100 pound to rectify

i am not bias but i chose arb because they do what i want, ok there are kam which come with shafts ect ect, but the leccy part put me off some what  :?

now sorry to the origional poster for all this mither over 1 simple question
but ho hum  :twisted:
ARB nuff said  :lol:
dan

[rollazuki]

At the end of the day dude, you have to read the posts and decide if you want to follow the majority, or go for the cheap option :lol:
Hand on heart, save up a few more months, Give your wife some good 'ol lovin' so she doesnt grumble, and go ARB.
 

[Range Rover Blues]

I bought my ARBs from Dom, who used them, shall we say enthusiastically?

My truck is pretty heavy too but I've never bust anything yet either, even though I can now do pretty neat doughnuts, on private land of course.

As for sideslopes, that's one reason I rewired the supplied loom so that I can engage the front end without the back end, sometimes a locked up diff will make things worse not better.  On at least one occasion I have had so little grip that just trying to drive the car caused it to slip into a ditch.  get you mates to tow you or break out the winch.

[Mark2Disco]

bob now you have read all the replies
would you like a couple of anadins :lol:

[Mutz]

Air Lockers is the way to go, have this fitted to 1 of my Paj's and it has never been stuck.
LSD on the other and apart from green laning, wouldnt want to risk getting anywhere really boogy.
90 is standard open and isnt running yet so cant compare it, but if i fit lockers they will be Air operated.

[extreme90]

Air Lockers is the way to go, have this fitted to 1 of my Paj's and it has never been stuck.
LSD on the other and apart from green laning, wouldnt want to risk getting anywhere really boogy.
90 is standard open and isnt running yet so cant compare it, but if i fit lockers they will be Air operated.

you obv aint trying then  :twisted:

[Mutz]

Air Lockers is the way to go, have this fitted to 1 of my Paj's and it has never been stuck.
LSD on the other and apart from green laning, wouldnt want to risk getting anywhere really boogy.
90 is standard open and isnt running yet so cant compare it, but if i fit lockers they will be Air operated.

you obv aint trying then  :twisted:

Wont get the chance now SWMBO has decided that one was hers as it was to good to off road!!