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Powerbox - Porny?
Xtremeteam:
--- Quote from: "L90TD5" ---"if it was a soldered in chip thats not the best way to do it"
I agree. FLash programming is cleaner, in some cases undetectable(depending on the tuner), easier to reverse.
But how else do you chip a 2000 TD5 non flashable ecu. You cant flash program it. Soldering in IS THE ONLY WAY to do it. It was done with a SMD Rework Station 968.
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As for the performance against other companys. If its near enough Im in ;-) I am aware of 230 BHP tunes for defenders out there, however its black smoke at the ready and diffs are rated to 200BHP. Id say mine was 195BHP-200BHP (I would think) I dont think theres much to gain from these 230bhp plug in box tunes. As for my TD5 she has....
- EGR removed
-Allisport intercooler
- Silicon hoses
- Remap chip (obviously)
-K&N air filter
- Straight through exhaust (a sports would be nice but no £ at the mo!)
I would hope Propane injection vehicles would be excluded I hope! :shock: :P hehe
T
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Having worked on a TD5 110 (o4 plate) with the following :
FMIC
twisted exhaust
dastek powerplug with a custom map
filter & egr removed it was dynoed at 176 bhp at the fly,theres still more to go but without fitting an EGT sensor its easy to start to damage things....
the rolling road day will be at dastek uk's base in dalgety bay in scotland,i know porny is making the trek up to participate,im more than happy to reserve you a slot n run on the dyno to see what its actually putting out :wink:
Also Lre will be attending for a mag feature 8)
Also RE the reflashing of a pre 2000 vehicle,the dastek powerplug uses OME plugs so it is as simple to chip as it can get,disconnect ECU,plug PP loom in to ECU & plug vehicle loom into the loom connector, :roll: no soldering,no modifying, genuine plug & play
also RE reflashing ECUs i have heard of landrovers own T4 software doing an update & taking the reflash with it thus putting the vehicle back to standard :wink:
Porny:
--- Quote from: "Redlinemike" ---
Having worked on a TD5 110 (o4 plate) with the following :
FMIC
twisted exhaust
dastek powerplug with a custom map
filter & egr removed it was dynoed at 176 bhp at the fly,theres still more to go but without fitting an EGT sensor its easy to start to damage things....
the rolling road day will be at dastek uk's base in dalgety bay in scotland,i know porny is making the trek up to participate,im more than happy to reserve you a slot n run on the dyno to see what its actually putting out :wink:
Also Lre will be attending for a mag feature 8)
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Lots of interesting points here....
Rolling Roads are often massively over rated.
Useful as a tuning aid - but not for proving 'actual' power figures.
Two rolling roads are never exactly the same unless they are regularly calibrated – and even then there will still be slight errors. Even with the rolling roads at my work there is will still be a 'slight' difference between cells... and the rolling roads at work are not the run of the mill – we are talking multi million pound jobbies, which we carry out legislation work on.
As a comparison and tuning aid they are good, but actual power figures should be taken with a pinch of salt… and figures are often exaggerated - and will never actually exactly match real life/on road useage.
Even driver techniques can massively effect figures obtained!!… And some of the figures and calculations used to work out flywheel readings are also interesting. :roll:
--- Quote from: "Redlinemike" --- Also RE the reflashing of a pre 2000 vehicle,the dastek powerplug uses OME plugs so it is as simple to chip as it can get,disconnect ECU,plug PP loom in to ECU & plug vehicle loom into the loom connector, :roll: no soldering,no modifying, genuine plug & play
also RE reflashing ECUs i have heard of landrovers own T4 software doing an update & taking the reflash with it thus putting the vehicle back to standard :wink:
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The Dastek box... although it might use OE spec connectors is still not the best method of tuning, and it’s not really a ‘chip’.
All a plug in box does is confuse the signals from the ECU and make the injectors stay open for longer… thus injecting more fuel… but at the wrong time.
And they are not without their problems…
Quite a few plug in boxes will cause the MIL to come on if the car is ‘booted’ from cold, they often don’t like having the boost pressure turned up (even if still below the boost cut). Drivability is never as good due to inbuilt delay.
And some of them just randomly cause the MIL to illuminate, or the engine just to go into limp home mode.
In all honesty, the Dastek box is one of the better designed units – is more than just a box with a couple of resistors – but overall a proper remap ‘will’ always perform better in both performance terms and in the way it drives.
If plug in boxes are so good, why don’t vehicle manufactures use them??
(and Mike, this isn’t a personal dig at you)
Also re: the LR dealer reflashing ECU's with later tunes...
Impossible with EU2 cars.... but in theory could happen with EU3 cars. But a dealer should always take copies of any fuel and varient files before they are changed - AFAIK they have to save them onto the computer before the old ones can be deleated.
The way around this and any other warranty issues would be to have two ECU's programmed for the car! :wink:
Ian
Xtremeteam:
--- Quote ---If plug in boxes are so good, why don’t vehicle manufactures use them??
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mitsuibishi offer just such a thing on there L200 pickups, & i know who supplies them :wink:
Porny:
--- Quote from: "Redlinemike" ---
--- Quote ---If plug in boxes are so good, why don’t vehicle manufactures use them??
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mitsuibishi offer just such a thing on there L200 pickups, & i know who supplies them :wink:
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Is that mitsuibishi UK, or just local mitsuibishi dealers?? :?
Some Land Rover dealers offer plug in boxes too... but these are NOT supported by Land Rover, and quite often cause problems with warranty issues.
L90TD5:
Will the rolling road day cost ££££???
I genuinely believe that a chip will hand a plug in its ass back in a tiny plug in box sized coffin.
Correct me if Im wrong but doesnt a proper chip work in realtime with the engines ECU and its data thus giving more efficient power?
T
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