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Bush Tucker Man:
Steve, sorry for the late reply (I didn't get the chance to post last night)


Here's the text as Neil sent it to me;

Take particular note of the last paragraph, re; wind-up


--- Quote from: "Artists Rifles" ---
Hi Richard,

No problems my friend - all up weight of the Mk 2 FV622 is 9.5 tonnes, the FV623 and FV624 are up to 11.5 tonnes because of the crane and technically a Stalwart needs the equivalent of a HGV2 license - NOT a HGV3 - as a Stalwart is a Rigid Multi-Axle.  I think this is now called a C1?

Unfortunately Stalwarts all date (with the exception of a VERY FEW Mk 1's and the prototypes) after the 1960 cut-off date but I've spoken to D who, as you know, is a traffic Police Officer and his recommendation was to say it's being driven as a Mobile Project Vehicle.  The section of the DVLA web site is:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/Motoring/DriverLicensing/WhatCanYouDriveAndYourObligations/WhatCanYouDriveArticles/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=4022499&chk=EIOA0f

and the relevant part is:

"i. play/educational equipment and articles required in connection with the use of such equipment

ii. articles required for the purposes of display or of an exhibition, and the primary purpose of which is used as a recreational, educational or instructional facility when stationary

Drivers must be aged 21 and have held a category B licence for at least 2 years. A mobile project vehicle may only be driven on behalf of a non-commercial body. However, drivers who passed their car test before 1 January 1997 are not subject to these conditions."

I carry a set of laminated A0 size information posters that are displayed on one of the inside faces of a side drop-gate when parked up at an event.  D did go on to say though that:

"To be honest in this day and age I very much doubt that,

1) you would ever get stopped.

2) The 'Hombre' that stopped you would have any idea of which exemptions you could claim, (unless you struck the jackpot and met an 'old time' traffic cop, of which we are a dying breed!!).

Hope this helps, it is worth thinking of a couple of points though. If you decided to contact DVLA and they said Niet, would your conscience allow you to go ahead regardless? Knowing you I think not. If however you decided to go ahead based on what you interpreted from the DVLA web site, and lets face it if they can't get it right who can? if you ever got stopped the worst I could see you could be reported for is 'driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence', this is a very broad offence brought in to 'simplify' things, in reality it is a get out clause for all the little [!Expletive Deleted!], but if you were to defend yourself and point out that you were only driving based on the info you gleaned from DVLA web site then I think you would get off.

It's a very listened too defence by the courts these days, "I would never have done it if I knew it was illegal your worship" In these days with the all powerful Human rights act, they have to justify to you why they find you guilty, and IMHO I think they would struggle given what I've said above."

I'd appreciate it if you didn't quote that bit though but feel free to phrase the info in another way!!  Obviously the trick is to not to anything to draw attention (other than you'd get from a 1960's MV on 6 wheels waddling down the road) by making sure it's in top line mechanically, all the electrics work, esp lights and not doing dumb things like swinging all over the road.  The last might sound daft but unless you are used to a Stalwarts steering the rams can take over and it can literally take the whole width of a road to regain control.
These old girls were meant for hammering across ploughed fields at up to 40 mph chasing the MBT's for resupply and repair, not running on roads.  The fact they CAN do roads is a testimony to their design I feel.  



Road trips of more than 10 to 20 miles will need action taken to alleviate wind up.  Either by finding a gravel car park for a couple of circles or - if big enough - figure of eights or by finding a deep enough grass verge for a couple of hundred yards or, at the last resort, by bumping up and down kerbs a few times.



If I can help in any other way please feel free to ask.

Regards,

Neil.

--- End quote ---


I'll ask if I can give you his e-mail in case you've got further questions

V8MoneyPit:
They certainly don't sound like a vehicle for a touring holiday  :lol: But if you do get one, Steve, I'll be first in the queue for a drive  :D

hobbit:
Sound like you could do with a low loader for it too then :wink:

steve howes:
thanks for all the help guys , sorry not replyed sooner modem knackerd on computer using one down the library . still thinking hard about stolly. could well be a possiblity cheers muddytubbie.

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