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4x4's and dangerous blind spots
steve_h:
For a start I don't even believe the research. How can you have a variation from 4.5M (worst) to 0.3M (best). Going on that, Audi A4's must have drinking straws for A pillars. I wonder if they are age equivalent vehicles being tested? If you put a 1st generation A4 against a Discovery 3 then there is bound to be a difference, but what about the same A4 vs an age equivalent Disco 1 or 2. All modern cars are guilty of bigger blind spots, not just 4x4's - Why, because of modern safety legislation requiring better crash protection. You can't have it both ways!
You can tell its a biased report with the way they pull in several other 4x4 so called safety issues just to back up the first one. All of them are out of context and not backed up with real world figures.
Steve.
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steve_h:
I've just googled for the research:
http://www.autoglass.co.uk/a_spot/
Read the Autoglass report front page, it doesn't even mention 4x4's or in fact any other vehicle type. They are simlpy highlighting a problem with modern cars (which I do agree with) and trying to get the regulations updated.
The whole thing's twisted about by Reuters, Sad they've got no real world news to write about. I'm sure I could find some.
Steve.
Rich_P:
I have to admit, having reversed a OneTen and 110, and also having reversed my father's Mercedes-Benz (1992 230TE), the OneTen and 110 (one a SW, the other a CSW) have by far worse visibility than my father's car which is longer than both.
Initially I was led to believe visibility was okay in the OneTen/110, but after having driven them and reversed them, and also having had to reverse my father's car, it's quite clear to me how appauling the vision is in comparison. So their report does hold some truth I think.
However, by no means am I saying that this is not the too-common biased reporting we are getting.
AbyssDJ:
the thing is though rich.. the end of where you can see to in a 110 is pretty much the end of the 110. if something disappears behind the back door when you're reversing, then you're likely to be too close.
i find reversing in our 110 easy as anything... i have to reverse it up a drive thats only about 1.5ft wider than it every day, with a wall at either side, neither of which are straight
Rich_P:
Except I was talking about visibility comparison, not if what you can see if enough to reverse the vehicle okay. I managed fine with both Land Rovers that I had just previously mentioned, but I did notice a severe lack of visibility compared to my father's car. That's all I was saying.
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