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specs on 2.5 td j19
davidlandy:
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200Tdi conversion is definitely the way to go in the long term...
Although cheaper, I'm not really a fan of fitting the Disco version of the engine into a Defender - I haven't seen one that has been done neatly yet.
The other problem is that all the intercooler and coolant pipe work has to be modified to fit... meaning that nothing is off the shelf.
And then there is the exhaust... the Steve Parker pipe is expensive, and not even that neat IMHO.
I'd rather spend a bit more money and get a proper Defender spec 200Tdi and do a proper 'as factory' conversion. This means all the pipe work etc etc is off the shelf, and replacements can be easily found.
I reckon a proper conversion is also easier to sell and will add value to your vehicle, I'd much rather buy a proper conversion, that some bodies botched up Disco conversion.
Also fitting a Defender spec engine is completely straight forward and no effort/hassle... and IMO worth the extra few hundred quid over fitting the Disco type.
A defender spec 200Tdi conversion will also be less hassle come insurance time.
Apologies to anyone who has fitted the Disco spec engine and disagrees with me, but all of this is just my opinion.
Ian
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I disagree with you Ian :wink:
there is nothing wrong with fitting a disco 200tdi - but the key factor here is the absence of defender 200s make the disco way the cheapest way to go all things considered and for many its the only option thats worthwhile.
the Steve Parker downpipe was tidy , and I certainley havent seen a better one available to buy.
If you go the 'full factory' route to covert then you would be better off using the money to buy a complete 300tdi defender.
Be realistic Ian!
Xtremeteam:
--- Quote from: "davidlandy" ---
--- Quote from: "Porny" ---
200Tdi conversion is definitely the way to go in the long term...
Although cheaper, I'm not really a fan of fitting the Disco version of the engine into a Defender - I haven't seen one that has been done neatly yet.
The other problem is that all the intercooler and coolant pipe work has to be modified to fit... meaning that nothing is off the shelf.
And then there is the exhaust... the Steve Parker pipe is expensive, and not even that neat IMHO.
I'd rather spend a bit more money and get a proper Defender spec 200Tdi and do a proper 'as factory' conversion. This means all the pipe work etc etc is off the shelf, and replacements can be easily found.
I reckon a proper conversion is also easier to sell and will add value to your vehicle, I'd much rather buy a proper conversion, that some bodies botched up Disco conversion.
Also fitting a Defender spec engine is completely straight forward and no effort/hassle... and IMO worth the extra few hundred quid over fitting the Disco type.
A defender spec 200Tdi conversion will also be less hassle come insurance time.
Apologies to anyone who has fitted the Disco spec engine and disagrees with me, but all of this is just my opinion.
Ian
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I disagree with you Ian :wink:
there is nothing wrong with fitting a disco 200tdi - but the key factor here is the absence of defender 200s make the disco way the cheapest way to go all things considered and for many its the only option thats worthwhile.
the Steve Parker downpipe was tidy , and I certainley havent seen a better one available to buy.
If you go the 'full factory' route to covert then you would be better off using the money to buy a complete 300tdi defender.
Be realistic Ian!
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gonn ahave to disagree with you aswell,sorry ian,
made the down pipe myself & looked factory fit along with the pipework,fair enough ive got a defender engine in there now but it was a neat job at the time & put it this way it was neater than ive seen specialists fit them :wink:
Porny:
--- Quote from: "RedlineMike" --- made the down pipe myself & looked factory fit along with the pipework,fair enough ive got a defender engine in there now but it was a neat job at the time & put it this way it was neater than ive seen specialists fit them :wink:
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Lets see pictures then.... I will quite happily be proved wrong :wink: I reckon you could probably make a neat install with a bit of time and effort.... and careful selection of parts, but I haven't seen one - and I've seen some real bodge jobs when it comes to connecting things up!
Ian
Porny:
--- Quote from: "davidlandy" ---
I disagree with you Ian :wink:
there is nothing wrong with fitting a disco 200tdi - but the key factor here is the absence of defender 200s make the disco way the cheapest way to go all things considered and for many its the only option thats worthwhile.
the Steve Parker downpipe was tidy , and I certainley havent seen a better one available to buy.
If you go the 'full factory' route to covert then you would be better off using the money to buy a complete 300tdi defender.
Be realistic Ian!
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I am being realistic, but it just depends on vehicle usage, and how long you plan to keep it etc etc. I’m just considering the wider view…..
Going to a 300Tdi conversion causes quite a few problems too.
Back to the 200Tdi....
Maybe I'm just lazy, but I'd rather be able to go a main dealer/aftermarket and buy a coolant pipe (for example) that I can go home and fit... no fuss, job done.
Rather than having to go round scrap yards, or having to go out buy a couple of pipes, fit them together (trying to remember what you used the first time round) and hope they do the job.
In my book, the cost difference is off set by ease.... if you shop around you can get Defender 200Tdi engines, I admit not as cheaply... but then using the Disco engine also entails extra cost - one off pipe work, exhaust sections etc etc.
And the fact, if you were looking to buy a Land Rover, which would you rather buy:
A tidy looking, as per factory, 200Tdi conversion
Or a Disco engine version which has 5 million jubilee clips holding all the pipes together, some cobbled together air filter and an exhaust that means you've got no chance of getting any where near the starter motor.
- but if you plan on keeping your Land Rover for a long time, and don't ever plan on selling it, or if the Landy is just a cheap off roader then maybe this isn't a consideration.
Ian
Porny:
Talking of 200Tdi's..
Average price for a Disco engine seems to around the £500/£600/£700 mark, plus the hassle of fitting it, the cost of the exhaust pipe (£130??)....
So £800 plus time... (roughly)
Although if you buy a complete Disco, for say £1000 you will probably get some money back if you break it... but you've got the time and hassle etc etc and you need the space.
For a £1000 (give or take £100 or so) I can get Defender engines when they are avaliable.... complete with rads etc etc... all legit. And you'll have it fitted in a weekend... no fuss, all standard parts.
Ian
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