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Locking blade leatherman etc...illegal??

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Moneypit:
If a vehicle is considered a public place, no different to the pavement outside your local cinema, how is it possible to steal something from a car?  Surely you have just found it and picked it up.

If I see a tenner on the pavement outside the cinema and pick it up I have found it.

If I see a tenner on a seat inside an unlocked car, open the door and pick it up have I found it or have I stolen it?  Afterall the car is a public place!!

Also why do the police have to have reasonable cause to search your car but not look in rubbish bins.

Defining a car as a public place is at odds to the description given

Q: What constitutes a public place?
A: Section 139, subsection 7 of the 1988 Criminal Justice Act, defines it as:

(7) In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.

The public does not have access to my vehicle.

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SixPot:
My parents had a strange one a few years back when looking outside they saw a bloke sitting inside their car. So they phoned the police who kindly pointed out it was not an offence to sit in the car even if it wasn't their's and didn't have permission. So long as the bloke hadn't done any damage getting into it there was nothing they could do. Very helpful of them - not.

In the end it turned out that  sitting in the car was all the chap did. He was a bit worse for wear on the way home from the pub and took a nap in the first shelter he could find. :?

Terminus:
if you found a tenner and kept it you would commit the crime of theft by finding. after all you wouldn't keep a credit card. so as with if it was in the car it would still be theft. someone summed it up well earlier using the comparison with luggage basically your car is a possession which you leave in a public place it is not a private place. if it was you would then be able to take a big box out and when confronted step inside and say hey this is a private place - which would just be silly :lol:

Moneypit:

--- Quote from: "Terminus" ---if it was you would then be able to take a big box out and when confronted step inside and say hey this is a private place - which would just be silly :lol:
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As any small child will tell you a big box isn't a private place, it's a Rocket ship or a car or a bus or an aeroplane or a submarine or a transmogrifier :lol:

You wouldn't keep a credit card, but then you know that it is the property of the bank/issuer.

I can understand most of the rationale behind all this and I suspect this is one of those occassions where you hope that common sense will prevail.

The items I carry in my Disco are there for use when I need them.  They are not easily accessible and are out of sight.  Do I need to carry them all the time?  Probably not, but then I don't need to carry a sleeping bag, duck tape tow rope etc, but they are part of my emergency kit, which is permanently in the back of any car I owned.

I will try to remember to take them out and hope that I don't need them when they are on top of the Wardrobe.

I am suprised by the fact that an Opinal is considered illegal, the reason I bought one was because it had the manual lock and was therefore safer than a folding knife.  But we live and learn.

Terminus:
The problem (as is usually the case) has arisen from the few headcases or idiots that carry knives for a variety of purposes none of which are functional .. i.e sticking into you when you for some odd reason don't appear happy to hand over your wallet.

The problem with locking blades even those with short blades is that when thrust at human flesh there is no folding resistance and it has a tendancy to go right in to the maximum depth of the blade (which I'm sure we would all rather do without) whereas a knife that does not lock will tend to fold slightly under pressure and not achieve this rather gruesome feat and with a bit of luck close on the aggressors hand  :shock:  :lol:

Basically in a struggle you have a chance with a folding blade (don't try this at home) but with a locked blade it will not give and cut wherever it is thrust.

So although some people will be unhappy with this element of the law it is a safegaurd - because lets face it  - the knife culture is here and way too many young idiots are wandering around with one concealed on them.

If they ever invent a law that absolutely everyone is happy with I'll be shocked   :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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