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A crushing blow
suzota:
hmmmmm
well
hmmmmmm
basicaly crush the bike and make the 17 year old lad pay back the cost of said bike to the uncle.
i wouldn't lend my car to a 17 year old relative to go off and play with un supervised. full stop.
Terminus:
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Sorry but YES it is his fault - ignorance of the law is not an acceptable excuse - if you lend any motor vehicle to another it is legally YOUR responsibilty to know the use it will be put to but more importantly that the rider/driver is insured to use the vehicle.
You can and would be charged if you loaned your car to a mate and he/she was stopped and found to be uninsured - the charge is that you did cause or permit the driver/rider to drive said motor car/motor cycle without insurance.
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You are correct but the point is that nowhere is it mentioned that the owner has been charged or convicted with anything. They have taken his property and are going to destroy it as far as I can see without him being found guilty of anything. The rider is obviously guilty as he was caught in the act of using an untaxed, uninsured unlawful vehicle so deserves any punishment coming to him. I am not trying to defend HIS actions, which are obviously wrong. If it were HIS vehicle then crush it!
If you loaned your Freelander to a mate in a private field (with no public access, with landowners permission etc. etc. and therefore not requiring tax and insurance) and he assured you that he would only drive within that field but then went out onto the public road and was stopped, you would be charged as you say "that you did cause or permit the driver/rider to drive said motor car/motor cycle without insurance". You know that you have done no wrong but you think having the vehicle taken from you without a chance to prove that you were not guilty is right?
Comparisons with Nazi Germany may sound over the top but when you start to allow the Police to punish people without them having the chance to defend themselves in court it is the start of a slippery slope toward a fascist state.
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Firstly he was daft enough to give a bike to a 17 year old who is not legally old enough to ride it other than on a proper track - his mistake and it cost him the bike - he doesn't need to be convicted - he allowed the offence to occur therefore the crushing of his bike is his own fault - the mention earlier (very correctly) by Bulli that had he been so concerned about his bike and that it was his nephew took the bike where he shouldn't have then he should have reported it technically stolen by the nephew but if he is saying he gave it to him then he has to accept the consequences - sorry but thats the law and in this instance I agree with it.
As for lending my Freelander you hit it right on the mark there - I wouldn't be stupid enough to lend my car to a 17 year old to drive around - sorry.
Again the facist state comment ... I really don't think I need voice my thoughts there :lol:
On that note when I find myself repeating what I've said it's becoming a circular debate and not moving forward so I'll bow out, interestingly long topic though :D
Terminus:
--- Quote from: "Skibum346" ---(By the way... despite the Chief Constable "crusading" for crushin... I'm certain it has been done through a by law of some kind that had to go through the necessary POLITICAL process - Terminus... comments?).
SKibum
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Just one more thing in reply to the above
You're spot on - Police don't make laws they go through a long (very very long and several times revised) process in the House of Commons - before being passed on to the House of Lords - before they ever get approved as legislation.
Once legislation has been passed the Police have a duty to enforce it (whether or not you agree with it) :shock:
:)
Skibum346:
--- Quote from: "Terminus" ---Once legislation has been passed the Police have a duty to enforce it (whether or not you agree with it) :shock:
:)
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"Whether or not you or they agree with it!
Skibum
drmike:
Just as a matter of record is there any appeal against the decision to crush? I jave the idea there isn't but I'm not sure.
Mike
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