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--- Quote from: "Dave2a" ---What everyone seems to be forgetting here is that the owner of the bike is the one who is being punished yet it is not he who is at fault.
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Sorry but YES it is his fault - ignorance of the law is not an acceptable excuse - if you lend any motor vehicle to another it is legally YOUR responsibilty to know the use it will be put to but more importantly that the rider/driver is insured to use the vehicle.
You can and would be charged if you loaned your car to a mate and he/she was stopped and found to be uninsured - the charge is that you did cause or permit the driver/rider to drive said motor car/motor cycle without insurance.
There really is no getting round it he broke the law, Police simply enforce the law they don't have a choice - they can't pick and choose what law to uphold and you'd be mighty upset if they could and decided not to uplhold a case that caused you some loss or inconvenience.
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--- Quote from: "Dave2a" ---the law was the law in Nazi Germany and look where that led. :evil:
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I'm not even going to justify that bit with reasoned comment - if you think it's a valid comparison well nuff said..
:P
rangerider:
If you dont like the laws.........
.....change the politicians (while you still can:) ).
There are many ways of protesting unfair legislation (I was quite involved in a previous thread about such a protest that seems to have died a death perhaps because some people were scared of the possibilty of legal consquences, the exact same consequences this person suffered). Breaking or ignoring the law is not IMHO a reasonable method of protest, it is a respect for the law and others that keeps us one step above the pond-scum. there are many laws I do not like, many of which I personally think stupid, unwanted, unneccessarily restrictive or down-right un-enforcable and various combinations thereof.
Speakng as a person who has lived with the problems caused by both cruisers and irresponsible offroaders I am all for clamping down on such people.
One last point, that is not covered in the news story. Where is the place of the offence relative to the place the bike was kept? was it just over the back wall? or was it a distance away? how did the bike get there, was it pushed, trailered or ridden under its own power?
Somehow I suspect that the number of seperate offences is quite high. I wouldnt hand over a shotgun to anyone, nor would I hand over my car keys to someone I thought unsuitable, and certainly not if I knew my car could not legally be used.
Bulli:
well this has got a little heated.
Nazi germany....??? sorry no comparison...i dont think Hitler and his cronies ever passed laws on certain things- they just acted in an inhuman pyscopatic manner.full stop.
right , i dont feel sorry for the uncle, he was plain dumb. where did he think the lad would ride it? He CANNOT insure the bike....noone will insure it as it CANNOT be used on the highway.
So lets see the lad was riding without a licence, insurance on a vehicle that was not road legal....errr where is the confusion?
If the uncle wanted to introduce his 17 year old nephew to moto x he should have taken him to a private track with the bike in the back of a van.Then he would still have a bike and his nephew wouldnt have been a nuisance.
MrTFWitt:
Theres a couple of important items missing from the story.
1) Did the rider have permission to ride on the private land ?
2) How did the bike get there?
If the bike was taken to private land on a trailer and ridden across a boundary that wasn't marked then a community service order or caution of some description would have been more than adequate.
If the bike was ridden on public roads to the land then it was a deliberate flouting of the law.
The underlying message is if you want to ride off road nick somebody elses bike to do it on and you'll get in far less trouble.
The part of this press release that really troubles me is "Section 152 of the Serious and Organised Crime Act 2005 gives police the power to seize bikes used on public highways without insurance and without an appropriate licence"
Serious and organised crime ?
I thought that was sawn off shotguns and the like not spotty teenagers riding round the woods.
Maybe the Chief Constables wife ran off with a hairy biker :)
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