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A crushing blow
muddyjlx:
if you take an untaxed, un liceced and un insured vehicle out into the public domain and you get caught. tough [!Expletive Deleted!].
its your own fault. full stop.
i beleive they take the vehicle away into storage while they process the offence, then if you are guilty they crush the vehicle and charge you for storage.
if he's inocent it will come out and he will get the bike back.
if you cant take the punishment, dont do the crime.
Bob696:
--- Quote ---There is a risk to appeal...you get costs and would end up paying storage at around £40 a day. Could be expensive.
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So now you are saying that appeals are only available to the rich?
:roll: If you are poor just accept what the nice policeman has to say as you cant afford justice.
As far as an appeal goes, having read section 152, it would appear there is no provision for appealing the 'conviction' but you can appeal for the return of the vehicle. So you are still guilty, you just get your car/bike back. Sounds like a good cop out to me.
What was frightning about it was the bit about can be siezed upto 24 hours later and officers can force entry without warrent if they suspect it may be within. Wow but is that open to abuse.
--- Quote ---As for all this human rights, merry kaftan wearing crap. Behave, abide by the law and it wont ever be in your face.
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I have been waiting for a comment like that for a fair bit. Believe me I am far from a merry kaftan wearing hippy and to make such comments shows a poor grasp of the issues and a very selfish thought process *I'm all right jack so screw you". TBH that reminds me of the thought process of the anti-social scum bags that you so greatly decry.
--- Quote ---if he's inocent it will come out and he will get the bike back.
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How will it come out that he is innocent? There is no trial and the appeal is only for the return of the vehicle
AND EVERYBODY IS ASSUMING THAT POLICEMEN NEVER MAKE MISTAKES
rangerider:
--- Quote from: "Bob696" ---Lets get away from this specific incedent for a moment and imagine another plausable scenario with the same people.
The uncle takes nephew to an official motox track, the bike is trailered. Uncle watches nephew but gets a little bored and wonders off to have a coffee and a chat with m8s. Nephew finds a hole in a fence and goes onto a neibouring field (might not even realise its not on the track). Chief constable has told all police in the area to crush all bikes found in a public place (I believe thats in the original scenario but cant be asked to go look). Farmer complains. PC arrives and siezes bike and it is taken off to be crushed. The new law says he can do that and there is no doubt that the crime has been committed.
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WRONG! The before any seizure or destruction can take place, there must be the warning to cease and desist.
If little nephew switches off the bike and pushes it back through the fence as far as the seizure under PRA goes it cannot be done. However there can still be siezure under many other different points of law, uninsured, untaxed, unroadworthy (I don't think there is the chance of seizure for un-liscened rider).
To put the boot firmly on our own feet, can we in all honesty say we have never been driving along, seen some other driver perform a silly move and thought........
"If I were a cop I'd throw the bl**dy book at that moron"
I ask you all to imagine how this country would be if EVERY single offence, from the kid nicking a mars bar from tescos (police caution - guess its ok for them to act as judge & jury then? :) ) through every automated speeding ticket, every buglary, every murder all had to be tried in front of 12 men good ant true? heck the country would close down overnight as we would all be sitting on the bench in judgement on someone else.
Estimates put 1 in 5 cars in my locality as uninsured, never mind no tax, MOT or licensed driver, thats everything from 50 quid fiestas to 40 grand discoverys! Rumour has it that the record for longest distance for an ANPR equipped car driving from the police garage to the first alert is........
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just over 1/2 mile, and thats with all the little scrotes having learnt to avoid the area like the plague! If taking all these uninsured drivers off the road by making their life a living hell drops my insurance premium, Im all for it.
Terminus:
--- Quote from: "Bob696" ---and getting brownie points from the chief constablete
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I'm not debating the issue further....but the above did make me laugh so hard i nearly had an accident....you have no idea how far off the mark that is ... but then if you don't understand it just asume how it must work and pretend you know - it's easier :P
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Bulli:
Bob , you seem to convieniently ignore 1 critical fact. The Bike/ vehicle /whatever was not seized simply because of where it was. It was seized because it was uninsured, untaxed and being ridden by an unlicenced rider.
Now if a 'normal' member of the public were so unfortunate all he or she would have to do would be produce their documents and hey presto most of the problem goes away.
That is how it will come out that they are innocent. You are taking this example and applying it to all things.
Say you renew you tax today online and you were really unfortunate and got pulled because your tax was out of date. You being a little stroppy had the car taken off you. All you would have to do to get it back is produce proof that you had infact applied for your new licence.
Wow you have proved your innocence. Not easy for a 17year old who is guilty though is it :cry:
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