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Greenpeace - oh what have they become :(
rangerider:
I must be missing something.........
If we assume it is unfair to attack us for owning our 4x4s........
what makes it fair for me to be picked on for working and holidaying both sides of the atlantic and relying on another form of transport?
Attacking any particular thing, be it a mode of transport, a religion, a taste in music with the sanction of any government is the thin end of the wedge.
Lord Shagg-Pyle:
What an intersesting video. But are all the other big engined cars going to be targetted, sorry, victimised as well?
So 4x4's are likely to kill more children? I can just see the ad people that greenpeace may have employed tocome up with this spoof advert for the motor show, sitting round a table made from non sustainable wood, in their air conditioned office in central london where all the lights are left blazing at night coming up with "lets say 4x4s kill kids and not people because that has more of an effect" before going off to snort a few lines of charlie. Oh, heaven forbid, I'm STEREOTYPING!
Perhaps that is what GreenPeace are doing.
Cars do not kill people, bad driving does. Every road user needs to wake to that. A person hit by a vehicle speeding is going to die, regardless what type it is.
Gobbing into someones coffee. Clever! What a great way to encourage health. What next? Let's take a s**t in his locker? Really funny.
Parents, educate your children to the dangers of all vehicles on the roads.
Yes, control pollution. What about all the ships that plough the oceans? How much fuel do they use?
What about the stuff that goes into the ocean when the supertankers 'flush out'?
I have no problem with people expressing views, but be fair and unbiased.
andycwb:
--- Quote from: "TRUG" ---Dont greenpeace realise the earth has been getting hotter (climate change) since the last ice-age
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Two weeks ago we visisted the Athabasca Glacier in Canada. It's the most accessible part of the huge Columbia Ice Fields; several miles across, and a remnant of the last ice age (ice that's meting now is snow that fell during the ice age). I was close to arguing with the guide that the cause of the glacier receeding wasn't "global warming", but "the end of the ice age". I didn't want to spoil my holiday by getting into an argument, but it annoyed me all the same.
Hovis:
--- Quote --- From: Mark Davis [mailto:MDavis@apthompson.co.uk]
Sent: 26 July 2006 09:43
To: info@uk.greenpeace.org
Subject: Gas Guzzlers
Dear Sirs
I have just watched your Gas Guzzler video that is currently posted on your website, I was appalled at the irresponsible actions portrayed in it. I’m not offended overly by bad language but I would have been very cross if my children had watched it on what I would have considered to be a safe site for them to view. Someone spitting in to some one else’s drink is not only disgusting and incredibly unhygienic it could quite easily result in legal action being taken. To show an entire workforce victimising one individual in that way is absurd, to have that many narrow minded people in one office is extremely unlikely. To think that people would be feel hatred toward someone because of their choice of vehicle is a little disturbing along with the fact you consider this to be acceptable. Would you condone these types of actions over, or reactions to, his choice of religion? In a world where freedom is, quite rightly, held in such high esteem removing people’s ability to live life the way they want and make the choices they want to make can only have a negative effect.
I own a 4x4 which spends as much time off road as my spare time allows so to be tarred with the same brush I feel is unfair. Also, a number of people in our company drive 4x4’s as it is necessary for their work, driving a BMW full of surveying equipment over a field or trying to get a tonne of kerbs across the formation of a building site in the boot of a Mondeo are not a great ideas. We work in London and many large cities a fair amount so it through necessity that our 4x4’s are there. Our MD drives a Range Rover, again he uses it on site but doesn’t want to slum it, but this does nothing to prove/disprove his views on conservation of the planet, the company donated funds to Danjugan Island amongst other charities.
I would like to know how you and the other anti 4x4 groups have come to the conclusion that they are so bad. I was under the impression that the capacity of the engine dictated the amount of CO2 exhausted, not the amount of wheels driven. Surely cars with large engines produce the same sort of emissions, so why not give them a good slating too? Is it because they are not so much of a minority and it wouldn’t make good business sense to do that? What about 4x4 cars? Do these come under the same umbrella, or is it just the shape of vehicle you don’t like?
I thought the point of Greenpeace was to not only bring dangers to the planet and all of its inhabitants to light, but to find workable solutions. It seems ironic then that nobody took the time to tell the ‘offender’ what he was doing wrong. Who knows, perhaps with a bit of well pitched guidance he may have seen the error of his ways and sold, or even better scraped, or even better still recycled the ‘guzzler’. All that was actually achieved was bullying, a huge cause of depression and even suicide.
I would happily argue with anyone about the good the Greenpeace have done and the achievements that you have made. However, if this is the way Greenpeace are going to conduct themselves in the future I quite frankly do not want to be part of it. For this reason my partner and I will be cancelling our monthly direct debit and donating the money else where, we do not donate a massive sum but I am not happy thinking that I possibly helped to fund such drivel. I also believe that my father still makes a monthly donation, he too owns a 4x4 and I’m sure that he will cancel his contributions as a result.
Look forward to hearing from soon.
Best regards
Mark Davis
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From: Lisa Weatherley [mailto:lisa.weatherley@uk.greenpeace.org]
Sent: 26 July 2006 09:54
To: Mark Davis
Subject: RE: Gas Guzzlers[Scanned]
Hello Mark,
Sorry the film upset you so much. It was aimed at city gas guzzlers not farmers or other people who need them for genuine work purposes. It was produced by people inside the advertising industry who normally make car ads. They wanted to do something for us that challenged the whole aspirational nature of 4X4s of giving freedom, sex apppeal, etc etc. It was really just done as a spoof car ad. Some people have said its brilliant, some not. But I respect your views on this and we will take them into account for future work we do on 4X4s.
For more information on why we are targetting urban 4x4s in particular for the sake of the climate please visit our web site at www.choosecleanenergy.com
Best wishes,
Lisa Weatherley
Supporter Services, Greenpeace UK
www.greenpeace.org.uk
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From: Mark Davis [mailto:MDavis@apthompson.co.uk]
Sent: 26 July 2006 10:01
To: Lisa Weatherley
Subject: RE: Gas Guzzlers[Scanned]
Dear Lisa
Thanks for the reply but it seems to be some what generic. I’m sure that I’m not the only one who has contacted you about the film but a little more of a response to the questions/points I raised would be appreciated. If that is not going to happen that is fine, but this film was produced to get a reaction and I think that the reaction should be dealt with in a professional manner.
Best regards
Mark
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From: Lisa Weatherley [mailto:lisa.weatherley@uk.greenpeace.org]
Sent: 26 July 2006 10:09
To: Mark Davis
Subject: RE: Gas Guzzlers[Scanned]
Hello Mark,
Thanks but please have a read through our www.choosecleanenergy.com web site as the issues you raise are covered there and you might learn some new things too! I work as part of a small team answering literally thousands of enquiries and through necessity cannot provide lengthy answers to everyone. So I prioritise answering questions that aren’t addressed on our web site. Perhaps you could and your friends could donate generously to Greenpeace so we can afford a few more people in our information service!
Best wishes,
Lisa
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Hi Lisa
Thanks for the link but unfortunately it doesn’t appear to address all of the points I made or provide answers to the questions I asked. I am already aware of the effects of global warming and the numerous possible reasons for the change in climate. I’m sure that we are not helping with the massive use of fossil fuels but I believe there is truth in the argument that it is part of the planets natural cycle. I’ll agree that these issues are well addressed from your perspective but that wasn’t the question. My interest lays in the way a certain group of vehicles is being targeted and the method in which it has been undertaken.
I have been happy to donate in the past but, as stated in my original email, that quite simply is no longer going to happen.
So to clarify, I’m not questioning your campaign to reduce the burning of fossil fuels. I am questioning in this instance the way in which it has been done, primarily the content of the video and why just 4x4’s and not all powerful ‘Gas Guzzling’ cars.
Best regards
Mark Davis
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It's taken me a while to post but I've been having a bit of go too....
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