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Bob696:

--- Quote from: "TRUG" ---Dont greenpeace realise the earth has been getting hotter (climate change) since the last ice-age :?: .
According to scientific statistics the atmosphere was much worse than it is now prior to the last ice age.

In other words....... can someone explain how stopping driving ANY polluting vehicle is gonna stop the next ice age :?: Its coming no-matter what we do :roll:  :roll:
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Yeah but saying that wont pay the wages of the greenpeace muckty mucks or keep fuel in the pleasure crusiers they run ... sorry meant to say protest ships.

Devon-Rover:

--- Quote --- Dont greenpeace realise the earth has been getting hotter (climate change) since the last ice-age  .
According to scientific statistics the atmosphere was much worse than it is now prior to the last ice age.

In other words....... can someone explain how stopping driving ANY polluting vehicle is gonna stop the next ice age  Its coming no-matter what we do  


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 =D>  Yes that is soo very true.

The earth has been heating up then cooiling down since the dawn of earth it self.
There has been walls of ice a mile high just outside of bristol which circumvented the whole earth! and when that melted the seas as we know them were created.
It has also been shown that the thames and to out a name on it london. There was once a tropical swamp where Hippo's and other asscociated life used to live!

The white cliffs of dover Is made of chalk which in turn is the carcasses of the many trillion dead microscopic sea animals where it was once a Tropical sea covering most of the UK IIRC.

For crying out loud We the human population is making a very small contribution to the total global environment. The earth has a very complex ecosystem and it's own way of maintianing it's own homeostasis. Should the balence tipped it'll be corrected some how.

Take the melting of the icecaps!

Temp goes up - Ice caps start to melt a bit more - the influx of could water causes the movement south of the gulf stream - The northen hemisphere previosly effected now gets colder- and so it's effect will probably cause the cooiling effect so the icecaps will stabalise a bit.

Right rant over

laser_jock99:

--- Quote from: "Devon-Rover" ---It has also been shown that the thames and to out a name on it london. There was once a tropical swamp where Hippo's and other asscociated life used to live!

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Britain was closer to the Equator then- we're moving North Northeast at a leisurely average of 1.3cm per year!

But the gist of your argument is true. There are far greater forces at work than the psudo environmentalists realise. What cars we drive ain't gonna change the big picture much because it's all part of natural, geological cycle over which we no control.

Take the CO2 agument for example- where do they think carbon comes from? Is carbon man made, imported from outer space or of an earthly origin? Fossil fuels- whether burned by man or spewed out of the rocks via a volcano- back into the atmosphere it will all come eventually.

Then you realise how utterly pointless planting trees is to offset carbon emmissions- locked up for 100-200 years at most. Turning CO2 into carbonate rocks like Limestone might lock it up for a few million years longer- but it still liable to come belching back out of a volcano in a subduction zone!

BrumLee:

--- Quote from: "laser_jock99" ---Britain was closer to the Equator then- we're moving North Northeast at a leisurely average of 1.3cm per year!
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Does that mean I've gotta learn Geordie  :lol:  :lol:

Latest reply:


--- Quote from: "Ben, Greenpeace" ---Hi Lee

Thanks for the reply. You say:

“I am still intrigued to know the facts and figures you claim to have in your possession that state 4x4’s are the only vehicles in the UK that emit high levels of greenhouse gasses.”

I never said that. Of course 4x4s aren’t the only ones with high emissions. The reason we target them is this – they are a growing fashion accessory that is threatening the trend in emissions reductions. Sometime in the early nineties SUVs gained popularity in the United States, a trend was born that recently reached its apex with almost half US vehicle purchases being SUVs. The result? A steady downward trend in emissions per km in the US fleet became a spike. And with it the attendant climate dangers. And all because of a fashion. Now, that fashion for urban 4x4s crept over the Atlantic, but we were ready to counter it, and that’s what we’re doing. We’re trying to counter a trend that, when unchecked in the US, resulted in higher emissions and greater dependence on foreign oil.

Of course we also oppose unnecessary use of other high-emitting cars, but there’s no massive trend in increasingly popularity for those gas guzzlers. An analogy: When the police announce a crack-down on, say, mobile phone theft, they are not saying it’s a worse crime than all others. Instead they have noticed a worrying new trend and are acting to snuff it out in its infancy. Saying our focus on 4x4s ignores all the other emissions threats is like saying a police concentration on mobile phone theft is a sign that Sir Ian Blair regards Vodaphone stealing as more serious than GBH…

I again refer you to the climate crisis. How can we tell our kids and grandchildren that we read the science, we were warned, we knew what was happening to their world, but we were really into the 4x4 style.

Doesn’t wash for me. We need to do everything across the board to reduce emissions, and that includes tackling trends that lead to energy wastage. If I noticed a growing trend for leaving the windows open in winter and just turning up the heat, I’d make an on-line video about that too. It’s not about class, it’s about leaving this planet in a better state than we found it. A kind of countryside code writ large, if you like.

All the best

Ben
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So who does Ben think is buying these vehicles? The working man that buys a tiny jap tin-box for £6k every three years or the person that used to pay £40k for a Merc, BMW or Porsche  :roll: No more people are buying high emissions cars, they're just changing the label  :roll:  :roll:

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Skibum
--- Quote from: "BrumLee" ---So who does Ben think is buying these vehicles? The working man that buys a tiny jap tin-box for £6k every three years or the person that used to pay £40k for a Merc, BMW or Porsche  :roll: No more people are buying high emissions cars, they're just changing the label  :roll:  :roll:
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Brum,

Lets keep this going.. the more time they have to spend responding to our mails... the lesas time they have to victimise other groups.

Why not ask them what statistics they have relating to the WHOLE LIFE cost of vehicles?

 :twisted:

You work on that bit and I'll work on their promotion of anti-social behaviour!

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