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Is it me or were the two replies from GreenPeace almost exactly the same?
Dear Lee,I think every newspaper and tv company would be taken to court if a few swear words causes this much mayhem. By the way do you run the Discovery Supporters Club??regardsJohn
Dear JohnTV companies that show programs containing language of the type your organisations movie contains gives a warning prior to the airing of it, if it happens during a live program they apologise profusely, and they also have to answer to the broadcasting or advertising agency. In my opinion Greenpeace think they are above the law and have jumped on the loony band-wagon regarding the choice of owning a 4x4 vehicle.Why not campagian against vehicles been built and promoted for the ridiculous top speeds and output they produce? These performance vehicles driven by youngsters have robbed three families of their loved ones in the past weeks in my immediate area. Limiting the top speed of LGV’s has been a key factor in lowering their fuel consumption, the same could be achieved with cars. But alas, that action would lose too many political points, and that’s all political parties and organisations like yours are interested in.To answer your question, I don’t run the Discovery Supporters Club, I don’t even thing that club exists. I was membership secretary of the Discovery Owners Club, so I take it you’ve done an internet search on me but your facts are once again distorted. Club membership promotes the responsible use of 4x4 ownership and as club members are bound by codes of conduct. One of those rules is to respect members of the public and other road users. The actions in your movie would be seriously frowned upon if used against any anti-4x4 activist. And as for the foul language on your site, register on any 4x4 forum and attempt to use this foul language, it will be filtered out and any continuation in its use, a moderator will ask you to refrain from its use or face a ban.Working together with those you wish to influence is a better way of achieving, throwing insults will lose you support. It is there for the world to see which path Greenpeace have chosen.Kind regardsLee Jones
Hello LeeJohn passed me your email detailing your advice that we ‘work together with those you wish to influence’ because it’s ‘a better way of achieving’ while ‘throwing insults will lose you support. It is there for the world to see which path Greenpeace have chosen.’Thank you for your suggestions. Can I direct you towards a story detailing how we worked closely with McDonald’s in an ultimately successful attempt to slow deforestation in the Amazon biome? A deal between us, UK retailers and US multinationals was signed last night instituting a 2 year moratorium on soya production in the biome. The BBC World Service ran with the story for an entire day, recognizing the significance of the co-operation between us and business.Unfortunately not all of our efforts to work with business are as successful, notably the auto industry. While the Amazon is threatened once again by drought this year – a direct effect of climate change – greenhouse gas emissions rise, with transport as responsible as other areas of the economy and poor vehicle efficiency being one of the main reasons. What is Land Rover doing? Little.In short, we work with business and we get results. Where business won’t shift or work with us, we campaign, and we still get results. With climate change threatening the very fabric of our societies before the end of this century, I will leave it to you to tell your descendents what you did and didn’t do to reduce emissions. And we can’t say we weren’t warned – check out this very recent story, about the Amazon drought:http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article1191932.eceAnd check out the details of our work with business this week:http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/forests/forests.cfm?ucidparam=20060725095242And finally, on the use of a couple of rude words, I would point out that last week news outlets across the world broadcast the use of the word ‘shit’ by the President of the United States. It’s only a word after all, and its use is not exactly the most pressing issue we face on this planet. This is:http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-changeAll the bestBen StewartGreenpeace
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Hi,Having finally found time to watch the video, if you replace the 4wdriver with (for example) a disabled person or a person of another colour, greenpeace would condemn it, i am sure. Just because it is a 4wdriver does not make it funny or right. It is abusive and upsetting. I have often supported greenpeace in many of their campaigns, but will no longer.RegardsEla
Dont greenpeace realise the earth has been getting hotter (climate change) since the last ice-age :?: .According to scientific statistics the atmosphere was much worse than it is now prior to the last ice age.In other words....... can someone explain how stopping driving ANY polluting vehicle is gonna stop the next ice age :?: Its coming no-matter what we do :roll: :roll:
Dont greenpeace realise the earth has been getting hotter (climate change) since the last ice-age . According to scientific statistics the atmosphere was much worse than it is now prior to the last ice age. In other words....... can someone explain how stopping driving ANY polluting vehicle is gonna stop the next ice age Its coming no-matter what we do
It has also been shown that the thames and to out a name on it london. There was once a tropical swamp where Hippo's and other asscociated life used to live!
Britain was closer to the Equator then- we're moving North Northeast at a leisurely average of 1.3cm per year!
Hi LeeThanks for the reply. You say:“I am still intrigued to know the facts and figures you claim to have in your possession that state 4x4’s are the only vehicles in the UK that emit high levels of greenhouse gasses.â€ÂI never said that. Of course 4x4s aren’t the only ones with high emissions. The reason we target them is this – they are a growing fashion accessory that is threatening the trend in emissions reductions. Sometime in the early nineties SUVs gained popularity in the United States, a trend was born that recently reached its apex with almost half US vehicle purchases being SUVs. The result? A steady downward trend in emissions per km in the US fleet became a spike. And with it the attendant climate dangers. And all because of a fashion. Now, that fashion for urban 4x4s crept over the Atlantic, but we were ready to counter it, and that’s what we’re doing. We’re trying to counter a trend that, when unchecked in the US, resulted in higher emissions and greater dependence on foreign oil.Of course we also oppose unnecessary use of other high-emitting cars, but there’s no massive trend in increasingly popularity for those gas guzzlers. An analogy: When the police announce a crack-down on, say, mobile phone theft, they are not saying it’s a worse crime than all others. Instead they have noticed a worrying new trend and are acting to snuff it out in its infancy. Saying our focus on 4x4s ignores all the other emissions threats is like saying a police concentration on mobile phone theft is a sign that Sir Ian Blair regards Vodaphone stealing as more serious than GBH…I again refer you to the climate crisis. How can we tell our kids and grandchildren that we read the science, we were warned, we knew what was happening to their world, but we were really into the 4x4 style.Doesn’t wash for me. We need to do everything across the board to reduce emissions, and that includes tackling trends that lead to energy wastage. If I noticed a growing trend for leaving the windows open in winter and just turning up the heat, I’d make an on-line video about that too. It’s not about class, it’s about leaving this planet in a better state than we found it. A kind of countryside code writ large, if you like.All the bestBen
So who does Ben think is buying these vehicles? The working man that buys a tiny jap tin-box for £6k every three years or the person that used to pay £40k for a Merc, BMW or Porsche :roll: No more people are buying high emissions cars, they're just changing the label :roll: :roll:
