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fram:
sider, I don't want to make a big issue of this, but you did say that your boss employs foriegn nationals because brits are lazy!!

If being proud of my country (whats left of it) is biggoted then well yes I guess I am a little.
Please try reading the whole of my post as well
Cheers mate
Fram

K9Jim:
sider,
i have read what you have written, and i understand what you are saying. BUT i think people are writting on here voicing their opinions and thoughts rather than a personal attack on you. you may say that that is not the case but reading your text you give the impression that people are personally attcking you.
i have seen, as i am sure many people on here have these discusions disolve into  personal attacks and people leaving and throwing wobblies. please don't let this go that way. if you don't want people commenting on your posts then don't write them. :wink:

my belief is that the George Cross has become a dirty symbol, rather than the symbol of a nation it has become the sign of racists, football holigans etc.
Lets turn it around, lets make people proud to display the george cross without fear of reprisal. don't forget that it is also the sign of the CoE, a sign of religion.  :D

hope i have not offended anyone but i think time out has to be called on this without the need for the mods to step in.  :wink: if i am wrong then please correct me.

Sider:
I don't take it as a personal attack, but I still maintain that some views expressed here bordered, if not crossed the boundaries of, outspoken racism.

One thing is correct, though, hooligans and extremists have taken the Cross of St George as their own, and in doing so they have almost succeded in making it something dirty. The way to reclaim that symbol back is not by playing into their rethorics, but by keeping the higher moral ground. We have a very good example in history of what happens when a group of radicals take an otherwise innocent symbol and turn it into an epythome of barbarism and hatred. This country played one of the starring roles in getting rid of those "subhumans" (a word they used without pudor to describe their victims, in an attempt to legitimise their crimes).

Look, England became great thanks to the efforts of all the parts of the British Empire. All countries that have been succesful in the past have been on the receiving end of the migratory moves. Look at Germany: a great part of their success in rebuilding the country after WWII (apart from the wagonloads of money they received from the US) was their ability to acomodate inmigrants into their workforce (particularly Turkish, but quite a lot of Southern Europeans, including Spaniards). France, where a lot of the working classess come from Northern Africa. Even the US's industry would have been ground to a halt if it weren't for the amount of inmigrants, including Chinese, Irish, Polish, Russian, Mexican, you name it.

And I do agree that the responsibility for the abuses of the system lies not with the inmigrants, but with the government. But do you really think that things would be much different with any other party in Downing Street?? I don't think so.

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